Received: from localhost ([::1]:55519 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0UVO-0004Ru-4w; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:48:50 -0700 Received: from mail-qg0-f50.google.com ([209.85.192.50]:33082) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0UVH-0004RP-RQ for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:48:48 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id f92so23986489qgf.0 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=disposition-notification-to:return-receipt-to:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date :to:message-id; bh=lLiPBPChQFCurY8agOsEXD6sMdj0qonDCqhNO86Q+8M=; b=A7LObrVuhzDhLx61OQ/8wwOdVjjY9MIVxNb0WbqOImXWk8fggkaNoQJXOnQDTKhy/U bKtwRzOCbeDjxLlUWsc3pB4rF21ve57eN4NOPHeTQ/uKjqeJFk7y8J7Vvu4K1KF/IUT6 A2jElYn0c3otA0YluieOUKL2019OrA5sdN5mKcnUuAKWkDgLTU6HgINpVOKvS+lOHLMB oHM/nD2Kl9+7n75lzuaTw2nSTGPlRXU8wlmf1IPBB/m/zB+pGV05D5J3qwuVKaxw5rHq jVeitEi03WtSnHhn2qMAN5gVcLhYF17XzxieOdSShkcC6L5B8WR1zj48IgI6SAkPv9mp Dt9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:disposition-notification-to:return-receipt-to :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=lLiPBPChQFCurY8agOsEXD6sMdj0qonDCqhNO86Q+8M=; b=YgiKhDD9zRpCzCqOytm57Xri9YwAw17d5oADlDjqjMVMmA6AD7MtpD7KP8QBn9q+zU 13wQTfUXPG+7PPCFbb//BptsgjN2QzcIWLprnpy0sbWe7EI4WGWIyk6+zLdspA0BzPjr 3GGIYIB5Is6K7zb7DyJFPfJn8NHyv8P+3yMM5GZJT/xES5Yyqn124cjlbgqFNRkep/KD MKRxvVuiXiq27EHdSqC12H0f3LxGBBukU0VkEZKtgQP3RqiiXgHw3rAmPeRC2ziJKpDH 8du8Zr8O1oxbBUF/ntBqbIWc4KtxvQI/RP5KEofRlTdpwPpCoNiLK3lrfM+Y5xWWAhnm yACQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWuOB3Qjjcsc4XXxUEUNLHHAEIEJpGoXQVaR6HW7LeFuI5QNiMJmsnxqFAIUsQ/FQ== X-Received: by 10.141.3.66 with SMTP id f63mr3710936qhd.55.1462974517454; Wed, 11 May 2016 06:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.229.187.19] ([50.153.177.35]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s66sm3436314qha.44.2016.05.11.06.48.36 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 May 2016 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 09:48:34 -0400 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3285906962533497278==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3285906962533497278== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----STS6Q5O50SREAL02OPI08JEF2WC6DM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------STS6Q5O50SREAL02OPI08JEF2WC6DM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you for removing the image, Gleki. It makes sense to me to provide a way for speakers and interested persons to reach Russian lojban I add part of the main wiki. The details of the group may be less important if it isn't very active now. Guskant, can you please reach out to the artist so she knows her material has been removed. Also offer LLG's apology, unless someone else has an issue with either of these. . karis. On May 11, 2016 2:45:28 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >2016-05-11 9:14 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > >> I agree. Even if we care to follow this issue up, we should play it >safe >> and remove it at least until the matter is settled. >> > >Well, I still a moderator of that group and just deleted that. >I should note that different people were moderators of it and the >creator >and thus the owner of the group is not a Lojbanist at all (and he can >potentially delete it at any time). > >I'm not sure if that group should be placed on the main page of the >wiki >(Russian version). >It's mostly dead. >I think it's fine to just retain e-mail addresses of people who can >help >for speakers of Russian and store all the learning materials on the >wiki. > > > >> On May 11, 2016 01:56, "guskant" wrote: >> >>> I received a demand from a Japanese professional artist ( >>> https://twitter.com/tyo_md >>> ) >>> for removing one of her artworks from the header image of a Russian >>> Lojban group: >>> http://vk.com/menli.bangu >>> (archive of the current state: http://archive.is/WhoYP ) >>> >>> She said she had never been asked for the permission of use of the >>> picture for that group. The artist is professional and the artworks >are not >>> copylefted. Usually, anyone who wants to use her artworks must >consult her, >>> and must even pay for that in many cases. That picture was >originally >>> donated to Cogas, one of the most active Lojbanists in Japan, for >one of >>> his twitter accounts >>> https://twitter.com/lojytan_bot >>> for the friendship between Cogas and the artist. Cogas was not >informed >>> of use of the picture for the Russian Lojban group either. The >picture was >>> therfore stolen by the Russian Lojban group, and the copyright >holder has >>> not been aware of it for a long time. >>> >>> I herewith consult all members of LLG about this problem because the >>> Russian Lojban group in question is recommended on the Russian top >page of >>> the official website of Lojban: >>> >>> >https://mw.lojban.org/papri/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C!/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 >>> (archive of the current state: http://archive.is/agRrY ) >>> >>> Even though the top page of the official website is not tagged with >>> "official contents", visitors of the Lojban top page might believe >that LLG >>> supports the violation of copyright of an artist for the Russian >Lojban >>> group. >>> >>> I recommend immediately removing the picture from the group page. I >guess >>> Gleki can take responsibility for that. >>> >>> mi'e la guskant >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban.org >http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members -- Karen Stein -- ------STS6Q5O50SREAL02OPI08JEF2WC6DM Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you for removing the image, Gleki. It makes sense to me to provide a way for speakers and interested persons to reach Russian lojban I add part of the main wiki. The details of the group may be less important if it isn't very active now.

Guskant, can you please reach out to the artist so she knows her material has been removed. Also offer LLG's apology, unless someone else has an issue with either of these.

. karis.

On May 11, 2016 2:45:28 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-05-11 9:14 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:

I agree. Even if we care to follow this issue up, we should play it safe and remove it at least until the matter is settled.


Well, I still a moderator of that group and just deleted that.
I should note that different people were moderators of it and the creator and thus the owner of the group is not a Lojbanist at all (and he can potentially delete it at any time).

I'm not sure if that group should be placed on the main page of the wiki (Russian version).
It's mostly dead.
I think it's fine to just retain e-mail addresses of people who can help for speakers of Russian and store all the learning materials on the wiki.

 
On May 11, 2016 01:56, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
I received a demand from a Japanese professional artist (
)
for removing one of her artworks from the header image of a Russian Lojban group:
(archive of the current state: http://archive.is/WhoYP )

She said she had never been asked for the permission of use of the picture for that group. The artist is professional and the artworks are not copylefted. Usually, anyone who wants to use her artworks must consult her, and must even pay for that in many cases. That picture was originally donated to Cogas, one of the most active Lojbanists in Japan, for one of his twitter accounts
for the friendship between Cogas and the artist. Cogas was not informed of use of the picture for the Russian Lojban group either. The picture was therfore stolen by the Russian Lojban group, and the copyright holder has not been aware of it for a long time.

I herewith consult all members of LLG about this problem because the Russian Lojban group in question is recommended on the Russian top page of the official website of Lojban:
(archive of the current state: http://archive.is/agRrY )

Even though the top page of the official website is not tagged with "official contents", visitors of the Lojban top page might believe that LLG supports the violation of copyright of an artist for the Russian Lojban group.

I recommend immediately removing the picture from the group page. I guess Gleki can take responsibility for that.

mi'e la guskant


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