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From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 12:15:23 +0000
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2016-05-11 22:44 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -
LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>:
>
>
> It is always possible that someone will misbehave on a mailing list
> (including even this one) and, in doing so, violate copyright.  As long as
> we are quickly responsive to a complaint about such a copyright violation
> and remove the material, we should be OK, especially since there is no money
> involved.
>

I agree. However, the matter on the topic is different from the case
that a member of a group or an anonymous person posts something that
violates copyright. That picture on the Russian Lojban group was used
as header image, that means a symbolic icon of the group, and
ordinarily such an image can be handled by group administrators only.


>
> We are more likely to run into problems with translations of copyrighted
> text and music that we link to on our website, because we KNOW that these
> are copyright violations.  Translation of "The Little Prince", and books
> like the Berenstein Bears, and various music pieces are linked on our
> website.  I've noticed that we now have credits to the authors or composers
> of such pieces, but I believe that the law requires explicit permission, as
> would be needed for the art usage complained to guskant.  (Translation
> usually falls under copyright as "derivative works")
>

As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", the copyright has
expired in most countries in the world except France, where a special
law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the US, where copyright
renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru" page on the
official website must reject access from those two countries, or must
move the content to a server in another country.

Generally the Lojban translations should not violate the copyright of
the original works, or course. Remember we have a private mailing list
[jbofanva] for translation of copyrighted works.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/jbofanva


>
> I've raised the issue to the Board, and we might as well discuss it here for
> purposes of consideration by anyone who undertakes official managing the
> Lojban website.  How much effort will we make to avoid copyright violations
> in Lojban translations, artwork, and music, vs. merely removing such
> material if someone complains?  Do we need an explicit statement of our
> policy on the major pages linking such materials, since there are a number
> of people who can modify wiki pages?  Are there other things that we
> can/should do the respect the rights of creators?
>
> lojbab
>

As for translation or creation works in Lojban, I think the works
should be put out of the official website, and only lists of links for
accessing those works should be put on the official website, as we
already have them:

https://mw.lojban.org/papri/te_gerna_la_lojban
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_music

(though the list of the first page above is not yet well arranged.)

The official body need not take responsibility on the copyright
matters of translation or creation works by people.


2016-05-12 6:09 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>
>
> 2016-05-12 1:53 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>> Also, because most of the current pages on mw.lojban.org are out of
>> LLG's control and filled with Gleki's original research, I recommend
>> that all the officially approved pages should be clearly listed on the
>> top page or any page most accessible to users.
>
>
> Or they can be first edited to conform to LLG's views.
>
> Btw, not only Gleki's. Most pages on mw.lojban.org are copies of
> tiki.lojban.org which on its own almost always is original research.
>
>

I know, but the process to the current state of the pages is different
between tiki-originated pages and Gleki's original research pages.

Originally, each tiki-based page had clear history of edition on the
page itself, and all visitors had access to the information of the
creator and editors of the page. It was very helpful for visitors who
want to know the responsibility of every part of the pages. I regret
that the whole history vanished when the tiki pages were copied to
mediawiki, though I understand it was a result of a technical issue.

On the other hand, Gleki's original research pages were created on
mediawiki from scratch. As we know anonymous visitors cannot view the
history of each page, Gleki could be more carful to include
information about the responsibility on each page of his original
research, but he didn't. As a result, he continues deceiving visitors
to the official website into believing that his original research were
the official research.

mi'e la guskant

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