Received: from localhost ([::1]:60039 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0qCk-00019w-1t; Thu, 12 May 2016 05:59:02 -0700 Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182]:36776) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0qCe-00019j-BL for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 12 May 2016 05:59:00 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id h1so10475856lbj.3 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 05:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qgk/65SyzB59v+FFnm17NkuwTrVRlx6eKVMjjaXS2z8=; b=m/bsJ8yoEZdLMHRcNnxMWipUUxp9ZEtl2MHeTJ+uBRcsjd9Ew8RFNAG6wsgrtTztxA j5eRSCimY3wdYgYfxCFE/Zlr/GSSOYDYqjZoJWoqPHGjbKH+WdRLKAm9HWQ7jA0Murq7 8MlqUpSTmfIvPZ+FFpJOaMLMJXBGZHN5Ri7hbhAiJjbBMjURuy2AWfV76uokOTi3W18j 356OlUNxchVoD4bSczWybJYnR2jDKjsLd4w4LMeNMwyE1evxsDyld05D54qwJ3ITUKqp v7t6hC4uIlrKiwsD21SZhDaXEtemIXtxxxcDJfARJQRJ1+NJszk8K3iXT50hNQfxy3lR VuZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qgk/65SyzB59v+FFnm17NkuwTrVRlx6eKVMjjaXS2z8=; b=AMiMnV4LqlhMG9I3jeQ0tl0Rckx386nKAIHLLMg9EMeqjmm5o7mKC4ITOpMaoEXK/1 QGtpcH6HEH98W/WxErLNWhkYCV5qBH1js6qC1gPrBpggMaHhcLfiG/o3b2iGhwgSJSDO hlthhmS+1PzQH8g+8i5xWH74NW6d5VeH5IfQlggygjrt5ojMptIak9nfAvrSTp4GC21y CDTly54hR6vfZ6eis/wuHUvJanso8rNfWfl5EZREOLeVWO5VOq8at1bxi3zVZgjMmi4W u0QKcf0fniJ5rThWVsJ0rWg5k/eVYuM1yLXz7VG+1VrIm+SdGlHs5knmevn8OX0G0yXL 6Jdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FX2MahNXYdxw97+QJdeuZ6qpWf88C5MPKqTTDWXLZX+84LlLc6cBTHUTICPd+ttjsCDroBP4yRYn/y6fA== X-Received: by 10.112.124.228 with SMTP id ml4mr3748713lbb.113.1463057929252; Thu, 12 May 2016 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.199.163 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2016 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160512125551.GF9955@mercury.ccil.org> References: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> <5733B5C8.7000902@lojban.org> <20160512125551.GF9955@mercury.ccil.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 15:58:09 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0066372823940897459==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0066372823940897459== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfd037428b68a0532a4b806 --047d7bfd037428b68a0532a4b806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-05-12 15:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan : > guskant scripsit: > > > As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", the copyright has > > expired in most countries in the world except France, where a special > > law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the US, where copyright > > renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru" page on the > > official website must reject access from those two countries, or must > > move the content to a server in another country. > > This is becoming absurd. Copyright is a civil matter when there is no > commercial advantage, and the estate surely has better things to do > than (pur)sue people for making translations into an obscure language > that almost no one speaks and giving them away for free. On the > other hand, we should not approach the estate for permission, because > author's estates almost always say "No" (in my experience) if there > is no money in it. The same applies to the agents of living authors. > > We should leave things as they are. > I'm not into American law but given the current situation with "Elsevier vs. sci-hub" I suppose we need to take down SciAm article "Loglan" from the website. > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > Is not a patron, my Lord [Chesterfield], one who looks with unconcern > on a man struggling for life in the water, and when he has reached ground > encumbers him with help? --Samuel Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7bfd037428b68a0532a4b806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-05-12 15:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org= >:
guskant scripsit:

> As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", the copyrig= ht has
> expired in most countries in the world except France, where a special<= br> > law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the US, where = copyright
> renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru" pa= ge on the
> official website must reject access from those two countries, or must<= br> > move the content to a server in another country.

This is becoming absurd.=C2=A0 Copyright is a civil matter when ther= e is no
commercial advantage, and the estate surely has better things to do
than (pur)sue people for making translations into an obscure language
that almost no one speaks and giving them away for free.=C2=A0 On the
other hand, we should not approach the estate for permission, because
author's estates almost always say "No" (in my experience) if= there
is no money in it.=C2=A0 The same applies to the agents of living authors.<= br>
We should leave things as they are.

I&#= 39;m not into American law but given the current situation with "Elsev= ier vs. sci-hub" I suppose we need to take down SciAm article "Lo= glan" from the website.
=C2=A0

--
John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ccil.org/~cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cowan@ccil.o= rg
Is not a patron, my Lord [Chesterfield], one who looks with unconcern
on a man struggling for life in the water, and when he has reached ground encumbers him with help?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Samuel Johnson

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