Received: from localhost ([::1]:60710 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0s4m-0007S5-I0; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:58:56 -0700 Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com ([209.85.217.177]:33267) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0s4f-0007Rn-Li for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:58:54 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id jj5so12275115lbc.0 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:58:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0xtoVDKah/XhxLGBmSkTeWOU1BIR5gEgUq9e4YFDiHs=; b=H+Kw9wWTsQRWFu+bqRJ+/i9BdU7Ct/hM5eOhPw8I8USYaT8dvI87it+4adNwbSRjvs 2HeJ3Hy4eJJMUmd9qmCDNjW4ajCFfMh4axtLIROd51O3dC4TOdFnmWI/aagEr9C2zAEk bL8rowdQgD+fm05HrG9ca9PdB7KCKyTsDazotbET9FF91v0kh4vFNlwR1gPJWJZ7WLw7 eOpU+7tp53NAoXKHKJscq5qjEvJ8pwx/p8xm6jc88aW2wCKtP40HYTrKlEXplWpowLMq ZhQoMtexHjkLycBnASZL4NbxRRcnziQmf/OirkjIoeGjf20KQT4KjcoX8S55Oz0MlUIN /LwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0xtoVDKah/XhxLGBmSkTeWOU1BIR5gEgUq9e4YFDiHs=; b=DLXvB7kSsolfteW2FapGGzMkJk3OQuJNgZsJlj+9J/QX0f9bUWygmvnCcpr5usENRG q79UnTBtp7u6F3pkmMkxDo47l9ywQaYy7txjSrgk1YhvZQFNHtza2aV2RSrEKe3UTcTM CE0/w+0VYMiskQRYdH2LlSiK5lxeAa76sUUkRYrEkuj7Gpo6Nu2vtUK9Bw20Udnll4j4 OCyTyKlXwy4t7JnY4egWSVUlfi1FMYUP2H/vMSx+buqAQkwubVgD1JhSz2lDxocCK061 6KYHawo41IqOlTqGjUiUQQB60OXGvntDpshb9F18d9EFCTL3QsmRJFFhxyMlU88/q563 05gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXGY3m55VHUgc76jQupZYCOMf9woObsZshfb7fm8ljnfzBES42ztHWAHwkf0pmJ/vgtD+hzau0zTEgU/w== X-Received: by 10.112.142.7 with SMTP id rs7mr4059526lbb.53.1463065122702; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:58:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.199.163 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2016 07:58:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> <5733B5C8.7000902@lojban.org> <20160512125551.GF9955@mercury.ccil.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 17:58:02 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4118362882086845720==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4118362882086845720== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36e18ec09ea0532a66428 --001a11c36e18ec09ea0532a66428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-05-12 17:29 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > > On 12 May 2016 13:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-05-12 15:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan : > >> > >> guskant scripsit: > >> > >> > As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", the copyright has > >> > expired in most countries in the world except France, where a special > >> > law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the US, where copyright > >> > renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru" page on the > >> > official website must reject access from those two countries, or must > >> > move the content to a server in another country. > >> > >> This is becoming absurd. Copyright is a civil matter when there is no > >> commercial advantage, and the estate surely has better things to do > >> than (pur)sue people for making translations into an obscure language > >> that almost no one speaks and giving them away for free. On the > >> other hand, we should not approach the estate for permission, because > >> author's estates almost always say "No" (in my experience) if there > >> is no money in it. The same applies to the agents of living authors. > >> > >> We should leave things as they are. > > > > > > I'm not into American law but given the current situation with "Elsevier > vs. sci-hub" I suppose we need to take down SciAm article "Loglan" from the > website. > > I support what John says and disagree with taking down the Loglan article. > > (Also, and without wanting to initiate a new and unnecessary direction for > the discussion, I would point out that LLG's stated mission of supporting > linguistic scholarship entails supporting SciHub and opposing Elsevier > wherever practicable. Since this is currently nowhere practicable, further > discussion is for the time being superfluous.) > Well, whatever comes out both solutions (copying to a separate website or leaving as it is now) are easy to implement. --And. > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11c36e18ec09ea0532a66428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-05-12 17:29 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

On 12 May 2016 13:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
>
>
>
> 2016-05-12 15:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:
>>
>> guskant scripsit:
>>
>> > As for the particular case of "Le Petit Prince", th= e copyright has
>> > expired in most countries in the world except France, where a= special
>> > law is applied to "morts pour la France", and the U= S, where copyright
>> > renewal is applied. I don't know if "le cmalu noltru= " page on the
>> > official website must reject access from those two countries,= or must
>> > move the content to a server in another country.
>>
>> This is becoming absurd.=C2=A0 Copyright is a civil matter when th= ere is no
>> commercial advantage, and the estate surely has better things to d= o
>> than (pur)sue people for making translations into an obscure langu= age
>> that almost no one speaks and giving them away for free.=C2=A0 On = the
>> other hand, we should not approach the estate for permission, beca= use
>> author's estates almost always say "No" (in my exper= ience) if there
>> is no money in it.=C2=A0 The same applies to the agents of living = authors.
>>
>> We should leave things as they are.
>
>
> I'm not into American law but given the current situation with &qu= ot;Elsevier vs. sci-hub" I suppose we need to take down SciAm article = "Loglan" from the website.

I support what John says and disagree with taking dow= n the Loglan article.

(Also, and without wanting to initiate a new and unnecessary= direction for the discussion, I would point out that LLG's stated miss= ion of supporting linguistic scholarship entails supporting SciHub and oppo= sing Elsevier wherever practicable. Since this is currently nowhere practic= able, further discussion is for the time being superfluous.)


Well, whatever comes out both solutions (copying to a= separate website or leaving as it is now) are easy to implement.

--And.


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