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Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2016 Annual Meeting of the Logical Language Group,
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On 2/12/2017 9:47 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>
>
> 2017-02-12 16:26 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com
> <mailto:comcaresvcs@gmail.com>>:
>
>     While I can see they could speed up the meetings proper, I still
>     have the same problems with holding our discussions in this way.
>
>     The first, and to me most significant, is that not everyone (and I
>     believe more than mukti believes) are not available for regular IRC
>     conversations. Speaking as one person for whom this is true I do not
>     see making comments during the meeting in response to the prior
>     discussion will receive any where near the consideration of that
>     given to those during the IRC conversation. Once people develop an
>     opinion on a topic it is significantly more difficult to change
>     their views than if the new insights are presented during the
>     initial conversation. This leaves input of anyone who has familial
>     or other restrictions on IRC use (including any caused by
>     disabilities, for instance) at a distinct disadvantage and could
>     leave people feeling unimportant when really everyone has valuable
>     ideas. Lojban is not only important to younger people who are more
>     likely to be without family and other obligations, or whom are the
>     most technologically savvy. Such people should not feel or be left
>     behind.
>
>     Second, the issue of timing is also important particularly in light
>     of the above. If people are having difficulty joining in
>     conversations due to issues other than time zone, rotating the start
>     times may boot help. Further, such rotation just makes many not able
>     to join in on a particular topic, then a somewhat different
>     selection of people not able to join in the next time. It means even
>     more fragmented participation.
>
>     Email discussion is more lengthy, but much more inclusive. That is
>     why i am not comfortable with this proposed change.
>
>
>
> One again I have to repeat my proposal if Riley's conflicts with mine:
>
> conduct meetings in IRC PARTIALLY since we have to wait for other
> members to appear.
> The logs of IRC meetings would be posted to this mailing list so that
> others can add their replies.
>
> This way nothing would really change and meetings would become more
> fruitful.

I think that would work well with my understanding of mukti's old 
suggestion that requires that meeting motions be posted in advance of 
the meeting (and included in the agenda).  Then both IRC and mailing 
list can be used for discussion, and possibly for friendly amendments. 
But votes would be taken only via mailing list.

We could allow motions to be made at any time of year, with the member 
making the motion on this list specifying that it be referred to the 
next meeting, or decided more immediately by the Board, which is 
essentially in permanent meeting.

We could also cut member meeting duration by asking all reports to be 
submitted in advance of the meeting, cutting the time spent waiting for 
those reports to be posted.

lojbab


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