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Subject: [Llg-members] Motion: liberate lojban.org to community volunteers,
 and move the official contents to another website
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Table of Contents.
1. Description of the motion.
2. Optional suggestion.
3. Motivation.


1. Description of the motion.
The official body should remove all the official contents defined
below from *.lojban.org, and liberate the whole server *.lojban.org to
community volunteers. The removed contents should be put on another
website, and should be kept neat and updated by the official body
itself. Each web page of the contents left on *.lojban.org should
include disclaimer that the website is owned and managed by voluntary
people, and that the contents are not necessarily harmonized with the
official design of Lojban.

Denotational definition of "the official contents":
- The official contents include LLG documents, BPFK Sections, official
gismu and cmavo lists, historical documents from Loglan to the
publication of CLL (for example the article "Loglan" in Scientific
American by JCB and an online draft version of CLL), errata for CLL,
the original official logo.
- The official contents exclude records of discussions by the
community, mailing lists, jbotcan, learning materials by person or the
community, non-BPFK proposals, Gleki's original research, community
news, artworks, list of artworks, jbovlaste, parsers, tools, robots,
arranged official logos, community logos.
- Any other unclear contents should be defined by discussion.

2. Optional suggestion.
I leave for discussion whether LLG should use an "organization
account" on github for the new official website.
https://github.com/
If yes, all the LLG members should be invited to join the organization
account, and non-members should be out of the organization account.
Non-LLG but BPFK members should be invited as collaborators for the
specific repositories of BPFK in the organization account.

The github way has many merits as follows.
2-1. All members equally have power to modify the contents, and
therefore dictatorship cannot occur.
2-2. Any unfavorable changes can be easily removed and the previous
state can be easily restored.
2-3. Any people can leave comments on the contents in public
repositories, but non-members cannot modify the contents without
permission by a member.
2-4. By paying to Github, LLG can create private repositories that are
visible only to the organization members. This feature may be useful
for group working like LBCK.
https://github.com/pricing

The following points may be considered as demerits of the github way.
2-5. An account name "lojban" on github is already used for official
and community mixed contents by Lojban Coders' Group. Their contents
include the official documents like The Lojban Reference Grammar, as
well as many non-official or experimental contents that should belong
to community works. If they permit vacating the repositories and
donate the account to LLG, the problem of account name will be solved.
However, it will bring another problem: LLG should keep the repository
for The Lojban Reference Grammar as it is, but the useful tools like
ilmentufa, which was created by the community, should be moved to a
new place for the Lojban Coders' Group. Such a change may be bad for
the community. Another account name "la-lojban" has already been taken
by Gleki for his personal contents that are reputed but generally
biased to his original values. Even if Gleki kindly donates the
account to LLG, the account name "la-lojban" seems to me too
bogus-like for an account of the official body. Fortunately, an
account name "lojbangirz" is still vacant, and this account name seems
to be reasonable for LLG.
2-6. No cgi or robots cannot be run. However, those things should be
recognized as non-official and community works. The official body must
keep its distance from the community works as I will explain in the
next section.

3. Motivation.
There are no other ways to rescue the official contents buried among
the chaotic community contents. The wiki style like tiki or mediawiki
is suitable for community works, but it is inappropriate for
maintaining the official information.

In the early age, the community was so small and the style that the
official body took care of the baby Lojban community worked fine.
However, 20 years have passed since the publication of CLL, and the
community has grown too large for the official body to manage. The
Lojban community is already split into at least three pieces by
tendency of dialects.

I used to make an effort to integrate communities by accepting various
dialects in my video series "bripre jikca", including dialects that I
don't agree to.
https://vimeo.com/album/3148016
However, it became clear later that my effort was vain: one of the
communities was too egocentric to recognize that their own dialects
are not necessarily accepted by others, or to tolerate dialects
unpleasant to them created by others. Gleki's dictatorship confirmed
this split of community, and therefore, there remains few ways to
integrate the communities peacefully. The whole process of the split
above is described in the documentary film "lo vliraitru".
https://vimeo.com/190637628
 (I implicitly suggested a way for peaceful integration of the
communities at the last part of the film, which nobody was aware of.)

Under these conditions, the fair action that the official body can
take is to make clear the standpoint not to patronage any specific
community. For that purpose, the official body must draw a clear
distinction between the official contents and community works. Still,
under the current situation, the official contents and community works
are mixed up on the same website, and Gleki's abuse of power on the
"official" or pretending websites unfairly brings disadvantage to some
communities who don't agree to Gleki's original values. The motion
above will automatically remove the unfairness between communities.

mu'o mi'e la guskant

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