Received: from localhost ([::1]:43508 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cfyaN-0003zE-Ac; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:45:43 -0800 Received: from mail-it0-f50.google.com ([209.85.214.50]:34987) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cfyaH-0003z6-WB for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:45:41 -0800 Received: by mail-it0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 203so89365689ith.0 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:45:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6AIlFNgVC+q/t/ki8d9ZG0zAzdcRzNLG+emPPfy4y7Q=; b=hB7PpWVoqMM462vO1LLXR7d5mznpZa7Ha18hcxvlEZ+o42ftil0yQsvV5/JRrNLWMS 51rUodQSx6jNbTVh2Fu+I0I70hlSuYyrMD36rwbhv1qAyf2sO7cD7sphBG84GnevpHWw lMN7Vmxa4H+r0I0junhzUJjA1G0DfmWKUaKkeBger/ZxttiKjmJ0gPvXu4LO2i3/011r FX64SB07VHMhfgHn7MsvDE0fZkV3PNG/sKmNWWV1GZm+d2D+O8xKYjjQ5n6bRMCC6WQK 5MWoMYoO2Y1whiuqAKfs4P8t48Hgc5Hj67CIBRN7OAnbvMIbQ/OltcN49O28UZYsG5Ny 64UA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=6AIlFNgVC+q/t/ki8d9ZG0zAzdcRzNLG+emPPfy4y7Q=; b=TVCQCIJO0sGcb7oymMyKvgsI/Luk0zJlgzL3x5HOWEnPtnHBrmEQ8Ou/LXNBB27uUn vrKGp1h7mPYKN01TNswQ+tcFJVUhj7mIlSvznOyxu8pPh0aihviL565o/HOZu5iWp6X9 nXW8FTLuACgIlk0XhENKubC72ukjPFUIYfUwA8GcPz6Qhs+Xc41PFz55OFYY1Adj/1NA y6COZMrB63ce5y8h/fvCO9KsI/bQVD4Dx91N5bq/qrQa5+MGtfqnvGth4TX2ThQgEgXl wBGMCikot9z/fnzh9Kia+e0xwkp2PJUk2jMotzt4GLtB4+8+UZWPiy4laLLsh8KrIKM8 H+PQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kb2bpeOiIxtnUceYqktHszeG+EcB/ow+gYFE4xhQyS17xVU1xLc8apdYv66w/4Kd9+8iqp8d6FaEWcPw== X-Received: by 10.36.69.32 with SMTP id y32mr4928909ita.0.1487637931235; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:45:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.26.80 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:45:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: guskant Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:45:10 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion: liberate lojban.org to community volunteers, and move the official contents to another website X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org 2017-02-20 16:06 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > 2017-02-20 17:38 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >> Original research of other than Gleki is tagged with "non-official" or >> placed in User's page, so there is no need to mention it here. If any >> suspicious pages are found, the third condition of the definition "Any >> other unclear contents should be defined by discussion" is applied. > > > There are a lot of discussions imported from tiki that are in the wiki > including a lot of proposals similar to Gleki's ones (e.g. discussions of > experimental cmavo for one thing). So I'm surprised Gleki needs any special > mention. > 2017-02-20 17:03 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks : > > Is there any significant difference between Gleki's work and anyone else's > which would motivate his work receiving an entirely separate main-level > category? I just do not see what makes it special in this sense (although it > is notable in other ways). > Gleki's original research has significant difference from discussions by the community on tiki, and from any other contents on the "official" website. Gleki's original research are not proposals but descriptions of Lojbanic or non-Lojbanic subjects that are collected by Gleki according to his original values without any notice of non-official. Some examples of Gleki's original research are listed in the footnote [14] of my open letter posted in the last annual meeting of LLG: http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html#original_research On the other hand, discussions on tiki inform the readers by the thread-like form that those are discussed by plural people, and are already defined by "records of discussions by the community" in the denotational definition. Any other contents on the mediawiki pages are subjects of Lojban, and they inform the readers by a tag or the location whether those are official or non-official. All contents other than Gleki's original research are defined by the other terms of the denotational definition. 2017-02-20 16:07 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > 2017-02-20 17:38 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >> Proficiency test under construction is not yet an official content, >> and therefore it is inappropriate to be put in a public repository of >> the official body without any notice. > > > Well, I hope it can be put unofficially by someone else and free of charge. > If contributors think it's ready then they will be able to present it to LLG > to be officialized and forked into official repo. So I'm opposed to spending > money on what can be done free of charge. > > I don't oppose your comment. LBCK is only an example of possible usage of payed service if necessary, not a proposal. A possible merit of using a private repository of the official body is that all the members but no others can observe or contribute to the construction without any additional settings. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members