Received: from [::1] (port=43810 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cfymm-0004gf-DG; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:58:32 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f171.google.com ([209.85.217.171]:36031) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cfymi-0004gW-BF for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:58:29 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f171.google.com with SMTP id x24so3927175uae.3 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:58:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=s/OYdduhLxeGA0swbG2jK3Y4D8LG5FJPzMlRfNcgJso=; b=Mq0JEA/Tzdtz0kl9GyVI5rvb+HVYlt8QbmoonCs4UhOf4URnYwHda8o5cH/eFYXZ3z /0u/LB+w3rjb/kJShNBwmrmI74NVuWuIgt57eaeu1VCyqoowmA7crREvePaj4KSEw7Ul NtToR0Bi+aN9DQseTtHvfSrIaggKNSaom8m3cwqzMWOmbaL5kcscNECPgSvpUWmMhQgV R063iH5hzJWmOvvzUnRRULVovJKwjqT00H53gFoOMJuFQubB38rq0nBUIyLeD2/I/miM hX1BFf7GIB9tOjedhn7CFiKIFWW57oM+FN0IW1eVBB6n7ds4lO67jkfEkuIdWXGKoMVU dU0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=s/OYdduhLxeGA0swbG2jK3Y4D8LG5FJPzMlRfNcgJso=; b=ZTPkygfMUqMD8Ja5ct+9nLOBtZK9Wv1KW3xqLtx54iT5/vVtDOop3Tsq9f8m8U07/i 5Nf1KjOPyiDPZ8gs/Kw6pheo2NE/MzW+Ypvi2aD6vkNtwSiv/b+Ksq+jKMmY2wgJW/FT iOqTD2aaf99GHGj4UjrTxgtLITylXO10qFVfi5db2jXc5o8K8pq/qQoYgoDvEES8Wrx4 TJ8+gejOqcSU1UXoSctCuYNNC8+Vf9ocz2d9fPvPF4Y8CrothOikkDk7yPMoeBbRYcc4 G0d9EeJR8YfuIZ0tdJj8kMXTghBZD76eQ/Fk3Ff0nBc+t4Xc65FoHj8yk2NPsXdVaRm4 /08Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39le+rlV5yBdB3UL+9ATQdC1R1ZkhZM+0+x9M9pY3N64PfwJxUEprQquoYKfd3goczQS7Ti19WU76ttWqA== X-Received: by 10.176.7.8 with SMTP id h8mr7836635uah.22.1487638701114; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:58:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.6.202 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.6.202 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:58:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion: liberate lojban.org to community volunteers, and move the official contents to another website X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3711641236690303597==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org Sender: "Llg-members" --===============3711641236690303597== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c12459255b0320548ffe08f --94eb2c12459255b0320548ffe08f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I arguably have partial, drafted, or conceptualized exploratory articles too. I am sure that others exist. I would rather just file them all under Gleki's name or something like "User Explorations" or something. That way, all articles of similar style and purpose can be put in there. On Feb 20, 2017 19:45, "guskant" wrote: > 2017-02-20 16:06 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > > 2017-02-20 17:38 GMT+03:00 guskant : > >> > >> Original research of other than Gleki is tagged with "non-official" or > >> placed in User's page, so there is no need to mention it here. If any > >> suspicious pages are found, the third condition of the definition "Any > >> other unclear contents should be defined by discussion" is applied. > > > > > > There are a lot of discussions imported from tiki that are in the wiki > > including a lot of proposals similar to Gleki's ones (e.g. discussions of > > experimental cmavo for one thing). So I'm surprised Gleki needs any > special > > mention. > > > 2017-02-20 17:03 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks : > > > > Is there any significant difference between Gleki's work and anyone > else's > > which would motivate his work receiving an entirely separate main-level > > category? I just do not see what makes it special in this sense > (although it > > is notable in other ways). > > > > > Gleki's original research has significant difference from discussions > by the community on tiki, and from any other contents on the > "official" website. > > Gleki's original research are not proposals but descriptions of > Lojbanic or non-Lojbanic subjects that are collected by Gleki > according to his original values without any notice of non-official. > Some examples of Gleki's original research are listed in the footnote > [14] of my open letter posted in the last annual meeting of LLG: > http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter. > html#original_research > > On the other hand, discussions on tiki inform the readers by the > thread-like form that those are discussed by plural people, and are > already defined by "records of discussions by the community" in the > denotational definition. Any other contents on the mediawiki pages are > subjects of Lojban, and they inform the readers by a tag or the > location whether those are official or non-official. All contents > other than Gleki's original research are defined by the other terms of > the denotational definition. > > > 2017-02-20 16:07 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > > 2017-02-20 17:38 GMT+03:00 guskant : > >> > >> Proficiency test under construction is not yet an official content, > >> and therefore it is inappropriate to be put in a public repository of > >> the official body without any notice. > > > > > > Well, I hope it can be put unofficially by someone else and free of > charge. > > If contributors think it's ready then they will be able to present it to > LLG > > to be officialized and forked into official repo. So I'm opposed to > spending > > money on what can be done free of charge. > > > > > > I don't oppose your comment. LBCK is only an example of possible usage > of payed service if necessary, not a proposal. A possible merit of > using a private repository of the official body is that all the > members but no others can observe or contribute to the construction > without any additional settings. > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --94eb2c12459255b0320548ffe08f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I arguably have partial, drafted, or conceptualized explo= ratory articles too. I am sure that others exist. I would rather just file = them all under Gleki's name or something like "User Explorations&q= uot; or something. That way, all articles of similar style and purpose can = be put in there.=C2=A0

On Feb 20, 2017 19:45, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
2017-02-20 16:06 GMT+00:00 Gleki A= rxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com>:
>
> 2017-02-20 17:38 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Original research of other than Gleki is tagged with "non-off= icial" or
>> placed in User's page, so there is no need to mention it here.= If any
>> suspicious pages are found, the third condition of the definition = "Any
>> other unclear contents should be defined by discussion" is ap= plied.
>
>
> There are a lot of discussions imported from tiki that are in the wiki=
> including a lot of proposals similar to Gleki's ones (e.g. discuss= ions of
> experimental cmavo for one thing). So I'm surprised Gleki needs an= y special
> mention.
>
2017-02-20 17:03 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
>
> Is there any significant difference between Gleki's work and anyon= e else's
> which would motivate his work receiving an entirely separate main-leve= l
> category? I just do not see what makes it special in this sense (altho= ugh it
> is notable in other ways).
>


Gleki's original research has significant difference from discussions by the community on tiki, and from any other contents on the
"official" website.

Gleki's original research are not proposals but descriptions of
Lojbanic or non-Lojbanic subjects that are collected by Gleki
according to his original values without any notice of non-official.
Some examples of Gleki's original research are listed in the footnote [14] of my open letter posted in the last annual meeting of LLG:
http://guskant.github.i= o/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html#original_research

On the other hand, discussions on tiki inform the readers by the
thread-like form that those are discussed by plural people, and are
already defined by "records of discussions by the community" in t= he
denotational definition. Any other contents on the mediawiki pages are
subjects of Lojban, and they inform the readers by a tag or the
location whether those are official or non-official. All contents
other than Gleki's original research are defined by the other terms of<= br> the denotational definition.


2017-02-20 16:07 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>
> 2017-02-20 17:38 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Proficiency test under construction is not yet an official content= ,
>> and therefore it is inappropriate to be put in a public repository= of
>> the official body without any notice.
>
>
> Well, I hope it can be put unofficially by someone else and free of ch= arge.
> If contributors think it's ready then they will be able to present= it to LLG
> to be officialized and forked into official repo. So I'm opposed t= o spending
> money on what can be done free of charge.
>
>

I don't oppose your comment. LBCK is only an example of possible usage<= br> of payed service if necessary, not a proposal. A possible merit of
using a private repository of the official body is that all the
members but no others can observe or contribute to the construction
without any additional settings.

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