Received: from localhost ([::1]:48392 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1d1zvu-0006RJ-82; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:38:58 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net ([68.230.241.218]:34881) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1d1zvq-0006QG-C4 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:38:56 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20170422183848.UDNX16450.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 14:38:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with cox id BWeo1v0012869s801WeosJ; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 14:38:48 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.58FBA338.006A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=MOfumapl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=782Y2u49_20s1hmecrgA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Piz0I9YU4PQA:10 a=iwh3BSu4myUNQlX_M7KP:22 a=6kGIvZw6iX1k4Y-7sg4_:22 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none To: llg-members@lojban.org References: From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: <0457f7fe-dfd2-2ef6-9402-00d1dd15b239@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 14:39:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Board Elections ballot summary X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 4/20/2017 8:03 PM, guskant wrote: > 2017-04-13 20:31 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier : >> I'll allow a full week for responses, until end of day 21 April. If there >> are motions that need to be decided, they need a second, and then you may >> proceed to debate without me explicitly calling for it. I will try to pay >> attention in order to keep things moving. If there are no motions by then, >> we should adjourn. > > We have a motion that was implicitly seconded by Gleki. > The motion is entitled "Motion: liberate lojban.org to community > volunteers, and move the official contents to another website", and > archived here: > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/2017-February/001357.html > > A reply of Gleki in the following part of discussion implies that he > seconded the motion. > > 2017-02-20 14:38 GMT+00:00 guskant : >> 2017-02-20 11:14 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >>> Using github.com for official repositories can be dangerous since Github is >>> not own by LLG. >>> I suggest >>> 1. still use Github >>> 2. make synced backups of all official repositories on Github at servers >>> owned by LLG or provided to LLG for free. >> >> So you agree to the optional suggestion that requires the motion being >> realized. It implies that you agree to the motion. Say "I second!" >> I hope this motion makes you really {gleki} because you will become >> not being blamed for your abuse of power on the "official" website. >> > > I guess you all want to adjourn the meeting as soon as possible > without discussing any important matter, and I give up discussion > until the meeting of 2017. I think we indeed want to get the meeting adjourned (separate message coming). But as I understand the concept that mukti has advanced, the discussion should primarily take place OUTSIDE the meeting, in advance of a formal decision at a meeting. Once the 2016 meeting ends, this mailing list still exists with all voting members enrolled. So people can and should be talking up their ideas for community action (the regular Lojban list, as well as the IRC Lojban channel(s) also exist for such discussion). This discussion can be tied to a specific proposal, such as the paragraphs that you quoted above, or it can be less restricted, with the goal of producing a motion that will be formally voted on at the next (2017) annual meeting. mukti will call for motions IN ADVANCE of that annual meeting, and those motions presented in advance will constitute the agenda for the meeting. The meeting then moves along at a much faster speed, because most/all of the discussion has taken place before the meeting. I believe that one or more planned IRC sessions also fit into the proposal as well. If discussion produces a consensus and speed is desired, that consensus can be passed to the Board of directors which can approve most ideas at any time of the year, and that also will reduce the time required for the formal annual meeting. mukti and others should feel free to correct my interpretation of the concept. lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members