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([2601:5c0:c000:5293:b173:28bd:3807:d86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s10sm9947684qke.53.2017.04.22.21.19.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 00:18:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <0457f7fe-dfd2-2ef6-9402-00d1dd15b239@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org From: Karen Stein Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.2 X-Spam_score_int: -21 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Request for clarification X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8133166051641019978==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8133166051641019978== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----DI6SLQRSZ3CIZ3FI05XP4GS6BNHZBY" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------DI6SLQRSZ3CIZ3FI05XP4GS6BNHZBY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dig around, and here is the highlights of the idea as discussed in Februa= ry: Riley originally purposed=2E=2E=2E"I would strongly prefer that we adopt a= format like the Language Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the meeti= ng beforehand, and conduct the entire meeting in IRC in a period of hours= =2E There have been objections to this plan before on the basis that it=E2= =80=99s hard to find a time which works for people all over the world=2E Wh= ile I agree that it=E2=80=99s important for the way that we conduct busines= s to reflect the value that we place on Lojban=E2=80=99s international char= acter, as far as I can tell the current format works well for no one=2E We = can do better=2E" On April 22, 2017 10:21:48 PM EDT, Bob LeChevalier w= rote: >On 4/22/2017 5:19 PM, Karen Stein wrote: >> Lojbab's belief that discussion between meetings occur here is not >what >> I understood the proposal to be=2E My understanding was that discussion >> was going to happen at random times using any and all the discussion >> methods available to at least some members of the broad lojban >community=2E >> >> Since there is such a difference between these two I did have one >item >> of business to address at this time=2E I would like to have this >> clarified=2E We all need to know before we adjourn what the procedures >we >> are using for our trial such as the means with which everyone is to >be >> notified of topics, and when and where such discussions will be >> happening=2E If it is to be totally freeform, please make this clear=2E > >I expect that the Board will figure it how to plan the next meeting's=20 >agenda, depending on who is the next year's president, and probably=20 >seeking input (informally) from the members before a final decision=2E > >But I am hoping that the membership will, of its own volition, pose=20 >topics of policy discussion that might or might not lead to formal=20 >motions=2E They can easily do so on this list, or use IRC or other fora, > >and these discussions will be by nature "freeform"=2E I would suspect=20 >that if a formal motion arises from this informal discussion, that some > >participant from such discussion will notify the Secretary (i=2Ee=2E almo= st > >certainly mukti), who will collect such motions for the next meeting=2E= =20 >If it is something that should not wait until the next meeting, then he > >can bring it to the Board=2E > >So the only real "procedure" is that any member who desires a motion to > >be discussed at the next annual meeting should send a message to mukti=2E > >If the motion has been discussed on this list, mukti might find out=20 >simply by reading the list, but it would be best not to assume this=2E > >I suspect that the rest is something like this: >At some point before the next annual meeting (as decided by the >Board?),=20 >the President or Secretary will make an announcement of the start of=20 >meeting date, of all known agenda items, and call for any additional=20 >discussion or agenda items=2E If the Board decides to include a formal= =20 >meeting session using IRC, this would also be announced=2E Meeting=20 >announcements will as appropriate go to this list and/or to all lists,=20 >and possibly to the lojban=2Eorg home page=2E > >The Board will presumably decide the specific of the above as part of=20 >planning the meeting, and will probably try to include member input as=20 >part of that planning=2E > >(Others feel free to chime in if this sounds incorrect or flawed)=2E > >lojbab > >lojbab > > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban=2Eorg >http://mail=2Elojban=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/llg-members ------DI6SLQRSZ3CIZ3FI05XP4GS6BNHZBY Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dig around, and here is the highlights of the id= ea as discussed in February:

Riley originally purposed=2E=2E=2E"I would strongly prefer that we ad= opt a format like the Language Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the = meeting beforehand, and conduct the entire meeting in IRC in a period of ho= urs=2E There have been objections to this plan before on the basis that it= =E2=80=99s hard to find a time which works for people all over the world=2E= While I agree that it=E2=80=99s important for the way that we conduct busi= ness to reflect the value that we place on Lojban=E2=80=99s international c= haracter, as far as I can tell the current format works well for no one=2E = We can do better=2E"




On April 22, 2017 10:21:48 PM EDT, Bob = LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban=2Eorg> wrote:
On 4/22/2017 5:19 PM, Karen Stein wrote:
 Lojbab's belief that discussion=
 between meetings occur here is not what
 I understood the proposal to=
 be=2E My understanding was that discussion
 was going to happen at ra=
ndom times using any and all the discussion
 methods available to at l=
east some members of the broad lojban community=2E

 Since there =
is such a difference between these two I did have one item
 of busines=
s to address at this time=2E I would like to have this
 clarified=2E W=
e all need to know before we adjourn what the procedures we
 are using=
 for our trial such as the means with which everyone is to be
 notifie=
d of topics, and when and where such discussions will be
 happening=2E=
 If it is to be totally freeform, please make this clear=2E

I expect that the Board will figure it how to plan the next meetin=
g's 
agenda, depending on who is the next year's president, and probab=
ly 
seeking input (informally) from the members before a final decisio=
n=2E

But I am hoping that the membership will, of its own voliti=
on, pose 
topics of policy discussion that might or might not lead to =
formal 
motions=2E  They can easily do so on this list, or use IRC or =
other fora, 
and these discussions will be by nature "freeform&qu=
ot;=2E  I would suspect 
that if a formal motion arises from this info=
rmal discussion, that some 
participant from such discussion will noti=
fy the Secretary (i=2Ee=2E almost 
certainly mukti), who will collect =
such motions for the next meeting=2E 
If it is something that should n=
ot wait until the next meeting, then he 
can bring it to the Board=2E<=
br />
So the only real "procedure" is that any member who de=
sires a motion to 
be discussed at the next annual meeting should send=
 a message to mukti=2E 
If the motion has been discussed on this list,=
 mukti might find out 
simply by reading the list, but it would be bes=
t not to assume this=2E

I suspect that the rest is something lik=
e this:
At some point before the next annual meeting (as decided by th=
e Board?), 
the President or Secretary will make an announcement of th=
e start of 
meeting date, of all known agenda items, and call for any =
additional 
discussion or agenda items=2E  If the Board decides to inc=
lude a formal 
meeting session using IRC, this would also be announced=
=2E  Meeting 
announcements will as appropriate go to this list and/or=
 to all lists, 
and possibly to the lo=
jban=2Eorg home page=2E

The Board will presumably decide the=
 specific of the above as part of 
planning the meeting, and will prob=
ably try to include member input as 
part of that planning=2E
(Others feel free to chime in if this sounds incorrect or flawed)=2E

lojbab

lojbab



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