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On 4/23/2017 12:18 AM, Karen Stein wrote:
> I dug around in old emails, and here is the highlights of the idea as
> discussed in February:
>
> Riley originally proposed,
> "I would strongly prefer that we adopt a format like the Language
> Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the meeting beforehand, and
> conduct the entire meeting in IRC in a period of hours. There have been
> objections to this plan before on the basis that it=92s hard to find a
> time which works for people all over the world. While I agree that it=92s
> important for the way that we conduct business to reflect the value that
> we place on Lojban=92s international character, as far as I can tell the
> current format works well for no one. We can do better."
>
> Gleki originally suggested having the entire meeting at one several hour
> period of IRC conversation, then later changed this to,
> "conduct meetings in IRC PARTIALLY since we have to wait for other
> members to appear. The logs of IRC meetings would be posted to this
> mailing list so that others can add their replies. This way nothing
> would really change and meetings would become more streamlined."
>
> My response throughout the discussion of this has been that if the
> initial discussion occurs on IRC or other real-time settings then, (1)
> there will be a number of people (I believe a higher number than the few
> others have said) unable to participate due to (a) the international
> nature of the lojban community, (b) the variable comfort level of people
> with technology and things like IRC, and (c) the time commitments of
> some of us, and (2) presenting the transcript afterwards for those who
> couldn't attend for their comments does nothing to change the fact the
> original participants have already made up their minds and new input
> will not have nearly the same chance of influencing these decisions.
>
> There was also discussion, if we follow Gleki's original suggestion, of
> those who could not attend the IRC meeting putting in proxies in
> advance. I think this even less inclusive.
>
> I did agree to try this method for one meeting since no one else
> expressed the same concerns. At that time it is to be revisited. Now I
> want to clarify exactly what we are actually doing since these proposals
> are different.

The short answer is that I don't know exactly what we are doing.  Unless =

the members wish to decide now, it will be up to the Board, strongly =

affected by whoever is President and therefore running the meeting.

While what I described was  different from the above, I think I =

assimilated parts of it, to wit:
 > Riley originally proposed,
 > "I would strongly prefer that we adopt a format like the Language
 > Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the meeting beforehand,
....
gleki:
 > "conduct meetings in IRC PARTIALLY ... presenting transcripts

with the partial solution to the problem of non-inclusiveness to be that =

we conduct the discussion in IRC and on this mailing list IN ADVANCE OF =

THE MEETING, which is in keeping with having the agenda fixed in advance.

The point being that people don't need to wait until the next meeting to =

discuss issues informally, thereby coming to a consensus motion that =

would need only a pro-forma vote during the meeting.

At this point, I am easy to please, because we've had 2 years of what I =

consider to be near-total failures to hold a real meeting.  A meeting =

that takes months, for which half of the people who are nominally =

present aren't paying enough attention to cast their Board vote within a =

week of the call for votes, can hardly be worse than any of the options =

referred to above. (I admit my own weakness of leadership as being =

partly at fault, but I didn't see any sign of people preferring =

something different to what I was and wasn't doing.)

lojbab

lojbab


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