Received: from localhost ([::1]:54892 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1d353S-0000JM-De; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:19:14 -0700 Received: from mail-it0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]:33529) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1d353P-0000IP-Bu for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:19:12 -0700 Received: by mail-it0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 70so20521580ita.0 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:19:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=huygfGy/oN+ZF/TL+xP9M3+3QVyPC9wArYkFLW/djDk=; b=eWjZnroRIFp0zfA6XyNcuUVdi7Tus5m5w4mOe/f71q7aGSpAjXc5IymCOCiLFSp08A 8IXvBzQLG2C1Jcl0Dykpv4+A6//GbsQxxkfTW6o5NJGfcPtusFBTTakEAA7rSxGnw12B e1rbInsdM8sda9JeM0Pqsbb8hlKNCxxosEOINR/9rJ0hREZAC0c3+v+HBK9ypBUadQdd gcHFJTAljvcekp9U/Eb14SmoQC9igELcA7UL0KyhRZDTLd25vLUgS/EuX3wMFErAYM2C nQEEuwp2E3AqdUvEzacfCuZStHi0aSHLtHG6uy2JGUJcW/18HvzCn99V2pS4BxbzIz2T 664A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=huygfGy/oN+ZF/TL+xP9M3+3QVyPC9wArYkFLW/djDk=; b=pS+Qd0rNj7KGfR2zuZf97ymppUM6jFAg4yRAjMeeT9g7S40GONIskYF2316MifbA9X Rg6c1rQvrsxWv6K/6w0fijQTCuxe4xTo085EJ4p7rYkg/LhT5Qlg6V9BtWq6mgxZop1K 1U/Oijz3LesiJUvhOpU5TUgiy+iu7K52P436XgNK3idiNTr8r9WxJlWucGEEF3/cVn+q P5Da74f9Bo1SgpGOIF/RyIKYCnkG7LfWm1DuC4xHyCSlu9I3oTEVKCJ7tTmv1DWT4vZy xDA/J5OFoCL9VsgC3NFrVCoDamEYnXG9v/7qm2ohyDEBMJCAHRmvmfmqLXFz3xLXOMgM SDfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5qyIJcXiF5ESe+hAHEUgLoiusoQsRGFyCbNowuLOLMF5D9NrK9 qlxZzD5RJ8aYeDCB9LzGhuA53Gu05w== X-Received: by 10.36.73.207 with SMTP id e76mr2049263itd.55.1493144344619; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:19:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.38.2 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:19:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0457f7fe-dfd2-2ef6-9402-00d1dd15b239@lojban.org> <5966e78d-0e2f-bf8e-c019-1686671bb7d3@lojban.org> <78259B26-D0FF-406A-9700-6A3B14ADBF4E@gmail.com> From: Ali Sajid Imami Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:19:04 +0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Adjourn? was Re: Request for clarification X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0969197030259267333==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0969197030259267333== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c156464271aa054e01c2ee --001a11c156464271aa054e01c2ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I second the motion regarding the dates of the 2017 meeting. I too vote for adjournment. Regards, Dr. Ali Sajid Imami LinkedIn On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Curtis Franks wrote: > I vote in favor of adjournment and I agree with the suggestion concerning > dates; if the latter needs a motion, then I so move. > > On Apr 25, 2017 12:15, "Gleki Arxokuna" > wrote: > >> >> >> 2017-04-25 18:55 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : >> >>> I move to adjourn the current meeting. >>> >> >> I second (of others should reply) >> >> >>> >>> I also suggest that the 2017 meeting have June 1 as the date to have >>> items for the agenda, and discussion start on June 2. >>> >> >> fine. >> >> >>> I picked these dates for two reasons: since Summer (Northern Hemisphere) >>> is a time many take vacations and may have more time to participate, and >>> also in order that the 2017 meeting end before the November-December >>> holiday season. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On April 25, 2017 7:38:27 AM EDT, Bob LeChevalier >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 4/23/2017 7:16 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>>> >>>>> The short answer is that I don't know exactly what we are doing. Unless >>>>> the members wish to decide now, it will be up to the Board, strongly >>>>> affected by whoever is President and therefore running the meeting. >>>>> >>>>> While what I described was different from the above, I think I >>>>> assimilated parts of it, to wit: >>>>> >>>>>> Riley originally proposed, >>>>>> "I would strongly prefer that we adopt a format like the Language >>>>>> Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the meeting beforehand, >>>>>> >>>>> .... >>>>> gleki: >>>>> >>>>>> "conduct meetings in IRC PARTIALLY ... presenting transcripts >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> with the partial solution to the problem of non-inclusiveness to be that >>>>> we conduct the discussion in IRC and on this mailing list IN ADVANCE OF >>>>> THE MEETING, which is in keeping with having the agenda fixed in advance. >>>>> >>>>> The point being that people don't need to wait until the next meeting to >>>>> discuss issues informally, thereby coming to a consensus motion that >>>>> would need only a pro-forma vote during the meeting. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, I am easy to please, because we've had 2 years of what I >>>>> consider to be near-total failures to hold a real meeting. A meeting >>>>> that takes months, for which half of the people who are nominally >>>>> present aren't paying enough attention to cast their Board vote within a >>>>> week of the call for votes, can hardly be worse than any of the options >>>>> referred to above. (I admit my own weakness of leadership as being >>>>> partly at fault, but I didn't see any sign of people preferring >>>>> something different to what I was and wasn't doing.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Assuming that Karen is satisfied with my clarification... >>>> >>>> we either need a motion addressing the question of how the meeting is to >>>> be conducted >>>> >>>> or a motion to adjourn? >>>> >>>> If someone makes such a motion, then if there is no objection within 3 >>>> days, the motion will be assumed to be approved. Or people can vote. >>>> >>>> lojbab >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11c156464271aa054e01c2ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I second the motion regarding the dates of the 2017 mee= ting. I too vote for adjournment.


Rega= rds,
Dr. Ali Sajid Imami

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Curtis Fra= nks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote in favor of adjournment and I= agree with the suggestion concerning dates; if the latter needs a motion, = then I so move.

On Apr 25, 2017 12:15, "Gl= eki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2017-04-25 18:55 GMT+03:00 Karen Stei= n <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
I move to adjourn the current meeting.

I second (of others should reply)
=C2=A0

I also suggest that the 2017 meeting have June 1 as the date to have items = for the agenda, and discussion start on June 2.

=
fine.
=C2=A0
= I picked these dates for two reasons: since Summer (Northern Hemisphere) i= s a time many take vacations and may have more time to participate, and als= o in order that the 2017 meeting end before the November-December holiday s= eason.

.karis.

On April 25, 2017 7:38:27 AM EDT,= Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 4/23/2017 7:16 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
 The short answer is that I don't know exactly=
 what we are doing.  Unless
 the members wish to decide now, it will be =
up to the Board, strongly
 affected by whoever is President and therefor=
e running the meeting.

 While what I described was  different from t=
he above, I think I
 assimilated parts of it, to wit:
 Riley originally proposed,
 "I would str=
ongly prefer that we adopt a format like the Language
 Creation Society:=
 We fix the agenda for the meeting beforehand,
 ....
 gl=
eki:
 "conduct meetings in=
 IRC PARTIALLY ... presenting transcripts

 with the par=
tial solution to the problem of non-inclusiveness to be that
 we conduct=
 the discussion in IRC and on this mailing list IN ADVANCE OF
 THE MEETI=
NG, which is in keeping with having the agenda fixed in advance.

 Th=
e point being that people don't need to wait until the next meeting to<=
br> discuss issues informally, thereby coming to a consensus motion that would need only a pro-forma vote during the meeting.

 At this poin=
t, I am easy to please, because we've had 2 years of what I
 conside=
r to be near-total failures to hold a real meeting.  A meeting
 that tak=
es months, for which half of the people who are nominally
 present aren&=
#39;t paying enough attention to cast their Board vote within a
 week of=
 the call for votes, can hardly be worse than any of the options
 referr=
ed to above. (I admit my own weakness of leadership as being
 partly at =
fault, but I didn't see any sign of people preferring
 something dif=
ferent to what I was and wasn't doing.)

Assuming th=
at Karen is satisfied with my clarification...

we either need a moti=
on addressing the question of how the meeting is to 
be conducted
or a motion to adjourn?

If someone makes such a motion, then if the=
re is no objection within 3 
days, the motion will be assumed to be appr=
oved.  Or people can vote.

lojbab



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