Received: from localhost ([::1]:49542 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1demMz-0003I3-4c; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:03:13 -0700 Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:36566) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1demMv-0003Hb-Ic for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:03:10 -0700 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id t201so13206896wmt.1 for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IFuGOBbWNCkG87Z4/OlsnWJ9zggYzKo42k288RLIHU8=; b=Z4Yv5P4BgLZ3rLQiJ0+UbX65/92ShnVyLzZl9iCh3bviLej6lOYyx1aM9KFcl/iL6h OzoAY6g9Naver4hjZrGT894ObqkPNkPTLpbLDJNdT1rddf9+rlAdX5VzLx06J8ywjKDI HnV/SyzFFTiyeMPJmRhMc5KBpI96BzrgEURcwMJ3/KxV0Hju9xx5vRHJxz3LGEfnkvEK sIluTtjVLB4VeMpLa2QtKWnjMlm8m2r+y01OZ7pZNO/Mb55KPMtnFhpPAyRS1wbNXeRn GBJVgmXv2ZRIbPTjS6LJ6ocs51RED+8KjyBwHpHl3de6fVZ20Z5RkdpWFn8RhOIpJ0M6 nfLw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IFuGOBbWNCkG87Z4/OlsnWJ9zggYzKo42k288RLIHU8=; b=Nl28/ovcXhyN1mMfdWY54i1eBZdI0nTBE8xSGBkTEGxiMLEdWCgO0QGZftOe4E/1SL znySTT1fBkmMPHGpMelpHw0ZPBaG49yJW2sjgu2jMyzOyT8y75qGIu3TQx7vZY9AnU8n AHApuoew9iIz2S06Ac2GNPu9Ltmj1TRLwVUQxJhw+o0siqLW6fmrkgWWunQxtJK78ZWe g6eCYZJMrSJVseal10PMEPbcVYR5IHZRpa3DDaGpzRpXsNf2y4vsXLbWdGeoEWFuhnea epZIpADZt83DK9cRj3GJtyH+nfY1JLAk/r1Tf72F/UJLvsHSv3c12GP4CW+NFuRV4hbs t3iA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5gL2l/ud5TKioFD70BuU3ZoMG+VGIze+y4sqKezWbFVVAGN+7C7 jsdAenltil2SlzNaVwZ6mMYEMULL+PIIsmE= X-Received: by 10.28.208.78 with SMTP id h75mr1146964wmg.119.1502128981748; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:03:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.151.137 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:02:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7c9af3ab-e923-4962-b00c-e0ae3e04c7f6@googlegroups.com> <1830164.UeD9Huk5Je@caracal> From: John Cowan Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 14:02:41 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Fwd: [lojban] unicode locale library X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0521411769687546013==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0521411769687546013== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c19371c5d5c9a05562da849" --94eb2c19371c5d5c9a05562da849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > What I meant was we agreed that those three days should be avoided so we > settled on the week starting on Wednesdays. Some of the systems, preferre= d > by various people, were ones based on seven continents (starting with > Africa since Homo sapiens started there), and colors (six color rainbow > starting on "colorday"). > According to _Lojban For Beginners_: The days of the week are cmene built from numbers, this time adding djed., > from djedi, meaning =E2=80=98day=E2=80=99. There is at present [2002] som= e disagreement > about which day should be day one, though. The original convention was to > follow the Judaeo-Christian convention of taking Sunday as the first day, > giving Sunday la padjed. Monday la redjed. Tuesday la cidjed. ... and so > on. (Conveniently for one of your authors, this matches Greek for Monday > through to Thursday.) However, in a Logical Language Group meeting in 1992 it was agreed that > Monday be day 1, and Sunday be either 7 (la zedjed.) or zero (la nodjed.) > according to taste (much to at least one of your author=E2=80=99s inconve= nience.) > Eventually, though, people will use whichever system they prefer until on= e > becomes universally accepted. The second system is also the ISO week pattern (with Saturday =3D 7). I think artificial systems like continents or colors will never be remembered correctly. At one time I was using the planet names in the traditional order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn. These names were adopted by the Roman Empire in the second century CE, and probably go back thousands of years before that (allowing for the change of language) to the Babylonian Empire. The Roman planet names were also god names, and the Germanic names (except Saturday) result from a mapping of Roman gods onto Germanic ones: Sun's day, Moon's day, Tiw's day, Woden's (Odin's) day, Thunnor's (Thor's) day, Freya's day. --=20 John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Any sufficiently-complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. --Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are unknown) --94eb2c19371c5d5c9a05562da849 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvc= s@gmail.com> wrote:
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What I meant was we agreed t= hat those three days should be avoided so we settled on the week starting o= n Wednesdays. Some of the systems, preferred by various people, were ones b= ased on seven continents (starting with Africa since Homo sapiens started t= here), and colors (six color rainbow starting on "colorday").=C2= =A0

According to _Lojban For Beginner= s_:

T= he days of the week are cmene built from numbers, this time adding djed., from djedi, meaning =E2=80=98day=E2=80=99. There is at presen= t [2002] some disagreement about which day should be day one, though. The original convention was to follow the Judaeo-Christian convention of taking Sunday as the first day, giving Sunday la padjed. Monday la redjed. Tuesday la cidjed. ... and so on. (Conveniently for one of your authors, this matches Greek for Monday through to Thursday.)
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However, in a Logical Language Group meeting in 1992 it was agreed that Monday be day 1, and Sunday be either 7 (la zedjed.) or zero (la nodjed.) according to taste (much to at least one of your author=E2=80=99s inconvenience.) Eventually, though, people will use whichever system they prefer until one becomes universally accepted.

The= second system is also the ISO week pattern (with Saturday =3D 7).=C2=A0 I = think artificial systems like continents or colors will never be remembered= correctly.=C2=A0 At one time I was using the planet names in the tradition= al order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn.=C2=A0 These name= s were adopted by the Roman Empire in the second century CE, and probably g= o back thousands of years before that (allowing for the change of language)= to the Babylonian Empire.=C2=A0 The Roman planet names were also god names= , and the Germanic names (except Saturday) result from a mapping of Roman g= ods onto Germanic ones: =C2=A0 Sun's day, Moon's day, Tiw's day= , Woden's (Odin's) day, Thunnor's (Thor's) day, Freya's= day.

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John Cowan =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http:= //vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Any sufficiently-complicated C= or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc,
informally-specified bug-= ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are un= known)


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