Received: from localhost ([::1]:35550 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1df46H-0000Mq-8S; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 05:59:09 -0700 Received: from mail-ua0-f173.google.com ([209.85.217.173]:38624) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1df46E-0000Mj-Qd for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 05:59:08 -0700 Received: by mail-ua0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w45so14201790uac.5 for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 05:59:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vJk7GM5w3NvOzIT7RP/0ucGo5ErRE/3Wv/X9JQvX1Bo=; b=tXcRMLYbI0I/Rurl65p3rHu1TbtOhii92CJ0nsG9kEN0EH9sTrbpjOSg5rzPPaxk3d GKnlDnSut0qkNHygnnNKUSG/HWRWVwLcpKV5INegYGmj7/JmKZRVnRcAwXqF3tSvtCWH pphqSx88uVhCugGBdbboLi/nYIJrV+MyH+ecNfEIiUfF8thQv4vN1/Fg1RNZ26P/l3Ru F3mlBO2tRWQx4aqspcK9sRRskggOy+KYvH9Ao6mf8TSKyxFhg+75joHM5oPytkrVSuw1 eSERSxYWKchjblrqzM/cbwZvNysoqxS7vvhQaIItGsfB5MvACdKG032jj0HGvNgOCoI6 Qakw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vJk7GM5w3NvOzIT7RP/0ucGo5ErRE/3Wv/X9JQvX1Bo=; b=sOYdL3DByurePKCARKiQCor+0js0sCJwV3d9Z8mhvvnzod5knhrzKTNEkfwoIeMKXv OE+TBaj5TOI6+9stRCz47CuRs1KFq7KyuAIgH+HYki4QD99kNkfwt/PbZyjyCXjmNPuo L3vI1oIe9BNI/h9yf/rVlJAibYdQETiF3xXKvWpT8na77q3D7Lshawd01RCSs+5lKxNM Dkeq4WUxOMJz9IJkTBqsOtmuttB9Et6MiJniF6YxRLu0WXzna+NL3/qLLiuFdsAdQFXk ZeZgIGGef7uLl+zM85m5VcttaplKFVlm4NGQRiZRyeTzMWPDURAFx1Fw7oMW/zbZVdXG q+NQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5jAYVJ9Hl/SIxaGJb+Gb12eZSaiIWdb6GNYhq+hGTCKHlp9aDsn 3Q+qpdfEw0So2uqJa+qJrW77a7HUwg== X-Received: by 10.176.82.212 with SMTP id w20mr2922921uaw.98.1502197140281; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 05:59:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.24.194 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 05:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.24.194 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 05:58:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7c9af3ab-e923-4962-b00c-e0ae3e04c7f6@googlegroups.com> <1830164.UeD9Huk5Je@caracal> From: Creative Care Services Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 08:58:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Fwd: [lojban] unicode locale library X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7237138961093639773==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7237138961093639773== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c18ee72edded305563d86fc" --94eb2c18ee72edded305563d86fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember the planet date system. I am fairly sure that we didn't actually agree of on a starting date for the week despite what Lojban for Beginners says. I suspect that's the meeting I'm remembering, though. . karis. On Aug 7, 2017 14:03, "John Cowan" wrote: On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > What I meant was we agreed that those three days should be avoided so we > settled on the week starting on Wednesdays. Some of the systems, preferre= d > by various people, were ones based on seven continents (starting with > Africa since Homo sapiens started there), and colors (six color rainbow > starting on "colorday"). > According to _Lojban For Beginners_: The days of the week are cmene built from numbers, this time adding djed., > from djedi, meaning =E2=80=98day=E2=80=99. There is at present [2002] som= e disagreement > about which day should be day one, though. The original convention was to > follow the Judaeo-Christian convention of taking Sunday as the first day, > giving Sunday la padjed. Monday la redjed. Tuesday la cidjed. ... and so > on. (Conveniently for one of your authors, this matches Greek for Monday > through to Thursday.) However, in a Logical Language Group meeting in 1992 it was agreed that > Monday be day 1, and Sunday be either 7 (la zedjed.) or zero (la nodjed.) > according to taste (much to at least one of your author=E2=80=99s inconve= nience.) > Eventually, though, people will use whichever system they prefer until on= e > becomes universally accepted. The second system is also the ISO week pattern (with Saturday =3D 7). I think artificial systems like continents or colors will never be remembered correctly. At one time I was using the planet names in the traditional order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn. These names were adopted by the Roman Empire in the second century CE, and probably go back thousands of years before that (allowing for the change of language) to the Babylonian Empire. The Roman planet names were also god names, and the Germanic names (except Saturday) result from a mapping of Roman gods onto Germanic ones: Sun's day, Moon's day, Tiw's day, Woden's (Odin's) day, Thunnor's (Thor's) day, Freya's day. --=20 John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Any sufficiently-complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. --Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are unknown) _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --94eb2c18ee72edded305563d86fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember the planet date system. I am fairly sure that = we didn't actually agree of on a starting date for the week despite wha= t Lojban for Beginners says. I suspect that's the meeting I'm remem= bering, though.=C2=A0

. karis.= =C2=A0

On Aug 7, 2017 14:03, "John Cowan" <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:


On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM,= Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:=C2=A0
What I meant was we agreed that those three days should be avoi= ded so we settled on the week starting on Wednesdays. Some of the systems, = preferred by various people, were ones based on seven continents (starting = with Africa since Homo sapiens started there), and colors (six color rainbo= w starting on "colorday").=C2=A0

According to _Lojban For Beginners_:

The days of the week are cmene = built from numbers, this time adding djed., from djedi, meaning =E2=80=98day=E2=80=99. There is at presen= t [2002] some disagreement about which day should be day one, though. The original convention was to follow the Judaeo-Christian convention of taking Sunday as the first day, giving Sunday la padjed. Monday la redjed. Tuesday la cidjed. ... and so on. (Conveniently for one of your authors, this matches Greek for Monday through to Thursday.)
=C2=A0
However, in a Logical Language Group meeting in 1992 it was agreed that Monday be day 1, and Sunday be either 7 (la zedjed.) or zero (la nodjed.) according to taste (much to at least one of your author=E2=80=99s inconvenience.) Eventually, though, people will use whichever system they prefer until one becomes universally accepted.

The= second system is also the ISO week pattern (with Saturday =3D 7).=C2=A0 I = think artificial systems like continents or colors will never be remembered= correctly.=C2=A0 At one time I was using the planet names in the tradition= al order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn.=C2=A0 These name= s were adopted by the Roman Empire in the second century CE, and probably g= o back thousands of years before that (allowing for the change of language)= to the Babylonian Empire.=C2=A0 The Roman planet names were also god names= , and the Germanic names (except Saturday) result from a mapping of Roman g= ods onto Germanic ones: =C2=A0 Sun's day, Moon's day, Tiw's day= , Woden's (Odin's) day, Thunnor's (Thor's) day, Freya's= day.

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<= div>John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Any sufficiently-complicated C or Fortran = program contains an ad-hoc,
informally-specified bug-ridden slow = implementation of half of Common Lisp.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 --Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are unknown)



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