Received: from localhost ([::1]:35812 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1df4Ld-0001Ow-H2; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 06:15:01 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f54.google.com ([209.85.213.54]:38379) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1df4Lb-0001O5-3X for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 06:15:00 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id g189so12919782vke.5 for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 06:14:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jAOI7CqoDR6k3lNpQBYPKHMRxlixvvJoh8F1zbfWgyc=; b=KTn8TzCHjj2n7uzSHQIpx9Kh6SlM4JKy1PYVJ1CXfyLY6pl6mJZ1/Jaz+XZvch/2cQ 6cpWvQxA1PJYhNUrABniyxw892yUi57xnxRSE4lcjO5gmdd8jP2MF6IEzIbFYMssMpG3 hGXqwwvu51ZaafzUNXXsW4sbabqknqfU0xJEqQ4fYraRmDG/f4V7OgYiz4ChzaQfKx2G f9T2z/odIviF0Tpy9/Of1EWVjlSEDUyBBR1CcbtJj8nH1ZDR5IcslbB2HPKY6OTa4O2m 16XZn+lysqedcowRb8ChGCMklQRGw284mvd2OdtzD0PmlUDTc0mHPenmSott873U/m5A iKaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=jAOI7CqoDR6k3lNpQBYPKHMRxlixvvJoh8F1zbfWgyc=; b=n4r5JjGx3ySTY7ulVt0XM5sXmwa/FRESTuIRdtpuNgM7vzt14KReJrjcdF5F+gctC9 eXsiuXyXgKTud8z1xo5jOcpRBfWI5E5B9AWacTKPSSma5xyHczVzXPm+UGCTegstTkOd WU8CBqD1HiwA5m7aztERHfic/1OoYjhXmLOK+93ixogGdkEqq/1zrGSW/9mpOwRVeFeF I8vOXrHUlNI5LJWhZyhICHJwQjMTq0K3vlK/snt68DsGI4sVAuM1nTQ3QHtaEz+0LIyr xxA1AYpUHWps5h5fO569sHjInJMZSyONxesczBqBVNNY0IQSu9tisc2t4QFPQA2lVlpT qnkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5g9klMetq4wedOIjs5R083VTFCCJW4lhOagnnASu+5VIAf8b+nl pMyvvdRv49CGJKtPjRTZozgO4pQasA== X-Received: by 10.31.49.70 with SMTP id x67mr2669405vkx.125.1502198092488; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 06:14:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.24.194 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 06:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.24.194 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 06:14:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7c9af3ab-e923-4962-b00c-e0ae3e04c7f6@googlegroups.com> <1830164.UeD9Huk5Je@caracal> From: Creative Care Services Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 09:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Fwd: [lojban] unicode locale library X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0899428538718313537==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0899428538718313537== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1144048caf653905563dbf69" --001a1144048caf653905563dbf69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just checked the minutes for that meeting and no such agreement (ie. proposal and vote recorded) is indicated. . karis. On Aug 8, 2017 08:58, "Creative Care Services" wrote: > I remember the planet date system. I am fairly sure that we didn't > actually agree of on a starting date for the week despite what Lojban for > Beginners says. I suspect that's the meeting I'm remembering, though. > > . karis. > > On Aug 7, 2017 14:03, "John Cowan" wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Creative Care Services < > comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> What I meant was we agreed that those three days should be avoided so we >> settled on the week starting on Wednesdays. Some of the systems, preferr= ed >> by various people, were ones based on seven continents (starting with >> Africa since Homo sapiens started there), and colors (six color rainbow >> starting on "colorday"). >> > > According to _Lojban For Beginners_: > > The days of the week are cmene built from numbers, this time adding djed.= , >> from djedi, meaning =E2=80=98day=E2=80=99. There is at present [2002] so= me disagreement >> about which day should be day one, though. The original convention was t= o >> follow the Judaeo-Christian convention of taking Sunday as the first day= , >> giving Sunday la padjed. Monday la redjed. Tuesday la cidjed. ... and so >> on. (Conveniently for one of your authors, this matches Greek for Monday >> through to Thursday.) > > > > However, in a Logical Language Group meeting in 1992 it was agreed that >> Monday be day 1, and Sunday be either 7 (la zedjed.) or zero (la nodjed.= ) >> according to taste (much to at least one of your author=E2=80=99s inconv= enience.) >> Eventually, though, people will use whichever system they prefer until o= ne >> becomes universally accepted. > > > The second system is also the ISO week pattern (with Saturday =3D 7). I > think artificial systems like continents or colors will never be remember= ed > correctly. At one time I was using the planet names in the traditional > order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn. These names were > adopted by the Roman Empire in the second century CE, and probably go bac= k > thousands of years before that (allowing for the change of language) to t= he > Babylonian Empire. The Roman planet names were also god names, and the > Germanic names (except Saturday) result from a mapping of Roman gods onto > Germanic ones: Sun's day, Moon's day, Tiw's day, Woden's (Odin's) day, > Thunnor's (Thor's) day, Freya's day. > > -- > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > Any sufficiently-complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, > informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lis= p. > --Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are unknown) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > --001a1144048caf653905563dbf69 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just checked the minutes for that meeting and no such a= greement (ie. proposal and vote recorded) is indicated.=C2=A0

. karis.=C2=A0

On Aug 8, 2017 08:58, "Creati= ve Care Services" <comcare= svcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I remember the planet date system. I am fairly = sure that we didn't actually agree of on a starting date for the week d= espite what Lojban for Beginners says. I suspect that's the meeting I&#= 39;m remembering, though.=C2=A0

. karis.=C2=A0

On Aug 7, 2017 14:03, "John Cowan" <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:


On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Cre= ative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
= =C2=A0
What I meant was we agreed that those three days should be avoide= d so we settled on the week starting on Wednesdays. Some of the systems, pr= eferred by various people, were ones based on seven continents (starting wi= th Africa since Homo sapiens started there), and colors (six color rainbow = starting on "colorday").=C2=A0

<= /div>
According to _Lojban For Beginners_:

The days of the week are cmene bu= ilt from numbers, this time adding djed., from djedi, meaning =E2=80=98day=E2=80=99. There is at presen= t [2002] some disagreement about which day should be day one, though. The original convention was to follow the Judaeo-Christian convention of taking Sunday as the first day, giving Sunday la padjed. Monday la redjed. Tuesday la cidjed. ... and so on. (Conveniently for one of your authors, this matches Greek for Monday through to Thursday.)
=C2=A0
However, in a Logical Language Group meeting in 1992 it was agreed that Monday be day 1, and Sunday be either 7 (la zedjed.) or zero (la nodjed.) according to taste (much to at least one of your author=E2=80=99s inconvenience.) Eventually, though, people will use whichever system they prefer until one becomes universally accepted.

The= second system is also the ISO week pattern (with Saturday =3D 7).=C2=A0 I = think artificial systems like continents or colors will never be remembered= correctly.=C2=A0 At one time I was using the planet names in the tradition= al order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn.=C2=A0 These name= s were adopted by the Roman Empire in the second century CE, and probably g= o back thousands of years before that (allowing for the change of language)= to the Babylonian Empire.=C2=A0 The Roman planet names were also god names= , and the Germanic names (except Saturday) result from a mapping of Roman g= ods onto Germanic ones: =C2=A0 Sun's day, Moon's day, Tiw's day= , Woden's (Odin's) day, Thunnor's (Thor's) day, Freya's= day.

--=C2=A0
<= div>John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Any sufficiently-complicated C or Fortran = program contains an ad-hoc,
informally-specified bug-ridden slow = implementation of half of Common Lisp.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 --Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming (rules 1-9 are unknown)



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