Received: from localhost ([::1]:45300 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dzeRf-0003x6-Vd; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:50:19 -0700 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]:46831) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dzeRA-0003vF-DH for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:49:49 -0700 Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id m72so21040031wmc.1 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SR+1Bh1ZSey5V6IRUK0fee5WDQBlbHk0GSVPx0BspXE=; b=N0c8ushS9VJAIJhvM5XwoD5FCeaUpM8WxYwdvpOR4D+89GiLXXl4++dbCWi5girXOy kxrYLOJqudXbUfzo2f57uhirnhoh/sl1DCLn5/hpae0Q6rR1KqIVU4tNgQd5ScEE7AVQ 9RkKRNDY2ITVD6VErn4LJeKAOnKuC8kbEJqW/sf5GcRr3Z2RwahH9bhvmXOBW1auHd1P thJzig/mQf+SI9msMppoNi4xRVnnydMOyW/ca9Eww3erjUr1a+nWPBHIKeEZHlbhk6Ud DKjub2kMuc+1J23/PzjbLGj0fm7pfXbjZ2eqs+CpThxwarUsBMRRl7Mifh7mUoXonHQ9 tf6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SR+1Bh1ZSey5V6IRUK0fee5WDQBlbHk0GSVPx0BspXE=; b=qxsltUhEz/e45ptqnLPljsD82F6eKdk5sozDwdDD20tgwmOzEKuJO9K0Dx4J8o6irR 8rcRecy9gfYLGJx154BBM5GP9AyN5OjobRzfy/TbrjGwHKz5fEmBCnazxbOjI2rN8riX a9BtRVqfbZnTi4b9Aze3Z1p2BjWNwrkqR7TJtkHzEjhw+VS9bGTdCKGNAdSQGz4DSTio r5qSZtUxO+SqoXwwWI2lX0yzUJG6MLl0PJ4aYhBXaUYmgw2VBmgjF9zlLt0ahCJmMk0o 3kWhEYEFSlmepiDawxOyw5v+I1Kll6hDOIZUk/S0fVdbAs0heEZ1ESrQwil9CQyegM1z yikw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVxd/F9ucAZdfv+pTDWAAr5gvvdTfmJfnzMsyGN0szwdv1fGZCz dY3g/HkoCWd3HRJWEPLm2i5aMHNXumoyS+gZmA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QC8f+qV/GOp/0nONlx3lkr/bH25i4I11PQLKC1p3TBEh6vmlPbT8KZxnxalG5IBhGjH8DPEQT/C4wOc+nA+7zE= X-Received: by 10.80.158.78 with SMTP id z72mr1242572ede.183.1507103381122; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:49:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.163.137 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:49:00 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: [Llg-members] Old business. Lojban as a teachable language X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8626810485844229479==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8626810485844229479== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a1d5aabf594055ab3d979" --94eb2c1a1d5aabf594055ab3d979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As for paedagogics the methods under development are: 1. A method rival to all other methods, a course where no grammar and no meaning of single words are explained. Instead Lojban is explained through usage examples. https://www.memrise.com/course/928703/simple-lojban-in-phrases/ The latest stats is that it's top 10 among available flashcard decks on that website. The course is de facto abandoned in its development but maybe other people will continue it. I can't prove that it's got popularity because of its content, not due to its cheesy name. Other older courses on Memrise are still popular: for the last month Wizek's course on gismu (pure gimste.txt definitions) and a course with words from "Lojban for beginners" 2. la karda by la cadgu'a https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_karda It's a more traditional approach that is explaining grammar rules explicitly. 3. IRC activity in helping newcomers is still high. I'd say that nothing can be done or suggested there. It's all fine. Except the only advice I can remember was "dont say 'you are wrong' to newbies, instead say corrected constructs in reply". 4. We still lack a purely audio course similar to Pimsleur. A certain group of humans love such courses and only such courses helped them master natural languages. Needless to say, Pimsleur has no rival projects even for the same natural languages it's already available because it's dying hard to reproduce this spaced repetition audio cassettes (or mp3 files in modern era; Glossika is not a rival). --94eb2c1a1d5aabf594055ab3d979 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As for paedagogics the methods under development are:
= 1.=C2=A0 A method rival to all other methods, a course where no grammar and= no meaning of single words are explained.

Instead= Lojban is explained through usage examples.


The course is de facto abandoned in its development but maybe other peopl= e will continue it.

<= div>Other older courses on Memrise are still popular:
for the las= t month=C2=A0
Wizek's course on gismu (pure gimste.txt defini= tions)
and
a course with words from "Lojban for be= ginners"

2. la karda by la cadgu'a=C2=A0<= br>
It's a mo= re traditional approach that is explaining grammar rules explicitly.
<= div>
3. IRC activity in helping newcomers is still high. I= 9;d say that nothing can be done or suggested there. It's all fine.
=
Except the only advice I can remember was "dont say 'yo= u are wrong' to newbies, instead say corrected constructs in reply"= ;.

4. We still lack a purely audio course similar = to Pimsleur. A certain group of humans love such courses and only such cour= ses helped them master natural languages.

Needless= to say, Pimsleur has no rival projects even for the same natural languages= it's already available because it's dying hard to reproduce this s= paced repetition audio cassettes (or mp3 files in modern era; Glossika is n= ot a rival).
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