Received: from localhost ([::1]:45552 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dzeWj-0004Ji-JH; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:55:33 -0700 Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com ([74.125.82.42]:45666) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dzeWD-0004FA-G4 for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:55:02 -0700 Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id q124so21063356wmb.0 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AoXp6O/FR1EhOrFpMM1yu91TLl2nXS2BbkYU4pT+0sE=; b=YckKqj/WyNZmcwcTXJmjklF6+5scv1Ese4bGtZgUJkiBKZtJ+BNS6LQSuLX5drPiUn YjBAwV46oulIRHxgYdk9Zzdx/3aSmdY3yHkLM5eFBnkfqCneWYDpzOPh3QM5s0jRNKKV g+wR3HL1zQBOApXodBt0bzGTpzCichMEI8bm5Rm1bv5XiVDigZjQndzth61QDoM79r+Y Eg35upwgcx4pbqJgNeNHu0f0Ixa9CnYzbYylI0sqieWkMJ+IlXdi6/rgCDcSdzyR/++B nBGEaPXS5TSDB56uy6kHlaT2LIz8SeHUelVucZdS0t68QYb2yyRWwlACZHKnPCm1ZdRX 0EYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AoXp6O/FR1EhOrFpMM1yu91TLl2nXS2BbkYU4pT+0sE=; b=OJGKnzt10VvNRWXXHFfhDT4V2ZbRF18xyiGlUqDaU8vTBYcpxc3p72KTR8gITnoepf 93JFYMfmEBsUie/kWJvx29kNyUsgwPicV2Z2iOxB924bD6+AZjb7F/sQGEfapTsljqJ/ OVyIYiT4LdCvuzyJ3Hk639p9zkwPqVftaKjEhQJsXuUfEqB/W7kKkeACmtfTs7MhrQrK P68RwqEjh1ULhs2wDM5G2qbynZCBGt3MsrkQEvFqMdEo0CF9hBajARGnqFiwffxYhrj1 oIGZ7QazvQCJ6HqwtAEXwq4+a70b7MpU0Ey22khVzNd+X8GpCTR17M7Y2QBddFatm/RN RO9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaW/kJGRjRd+yoQXTO6HOwL4QxVlJ4O26+mgMJTP5KD0iN+Uo6SN 2jQoDrwj1394J4JtXe10ftHJMQ+Ml5psluooOA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAAS1tKwy5tbEbKFYtvvNtV20DPwum3340pz3cL3LnT5ALbibIb9VlHeNx3h973ze/5+W/7PB27N94y67SkA3s= X-Received: by 10.80.158.78 with SMTP id z72mr1261459ede.183.1507103694624; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:54:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.163.137 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:54:14 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: [Llg-members] Old business. Lojban as an advertisable language X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0696690334121302708==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0696690334121302708== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a1d5a5ba17b055ab3ecbc" --94eb2c1a1d5a5ba17b055ab3ecbc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, the good news is that Lojban isn't prematurely advertised in this epoch (which could damage its reputation). However, the lack of appropriate information about Lojban can be seen as a negative advertisement as well. And this should be fixed, IMO. People often learn about Lojban from using search engines (after finding this name in other locations) so improving the content of most popular links provided by search engines is crucial in making people participate in Lojban development. For several years I've been slowly fixing the Wikipedia page on Lojban: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lojban&oldid=716191798 It had statements unproven by links, irrelevant statements (like "there is no Firefox plugin for Lojban because of problems with Javascript") etc. I added a lot of information supported by links leading to the current state of affairs. Still among most important places Wikibooks de facto lacks a good textbook on Lojban or even a shortened version of its grammar. This is still a place to be improved. Some hundred people joined Lojban Slack chatroom but most of those who joined are existing members of the community. Facebook Lojban group itself with its ~2000 members is a showcase of Lojbanistan by itself in this social network. Extending IRC gateways to other networks like Skype, Facebook messenger, Gitter is yet to be analyzed whether it's needed or not. As of new presence I can mention http://lojbo.org/ website done by one of newcomers I fixed CSS styles for https://www.reddit.com/r/lojban so that it (hopefully) looks prettier now compared to the original reddit style (if you have any suggestions for the style I can try implementing them although I left the crew of admins once my initial work was done) --94eb2c1a1d5a5ba17b055ab3ecbc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, the good news is that Lojban isn't prematurely a= dvertised in this epoch (which could damage its reputation).

=
However, the lack of appropriate information about Lojban can be seen = as a negative advertisement as well. And this should be fixed, IMO.

People often learn about Lojban from using search engines= (after finding this name in other locations) so improving the content of m= ost popular links provided by search engines is crucial in making people pa= rticipate in Lojban development.

For several years= I've been slowly fixing the Wikipedia page on Lojban:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title= =3DLojban&oldid=3D716191798

It ha= d statements unproven by links, irrelevant statements (like "there is = no Firefox plugin for Lojban because of problems with Javascript") etc= .

I added a lot of information supported by links = leading to the current state of affairs.

Still amo= ng most important places Wikibooks de facto lacks a good textbook on Lojban= or even a shortened version of its grammar.
This is still a plac= e to be improved.

Some hundred people joined Lojba= n Slack chatroom but most of those who joined are existing members of the c= ommunity.

Facebook Lojban group itself with it= s ~2000 members is a showcase of Lojbanistan by itself in this social netwo= rk.

Extending IRC gateways to other networks like = Skype, Facebook messenger, Gitter is yet to be analyzed whether it's ne= eded or not.


As of new presence I c= an mention=C2=A0http://lojb= o.org/ website done by one of newcomers

I fixe= d CSS styles for https://www.reddit.com/r/lojban so that it (hopefully) looks p= rettier now compared to the original reddit style (if you have any suggesti= ons for the style I can try implementing them although I left the crew of a= dmins once my initial work was done)
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