Received: from localhost ([::1]:40030 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eFx6G-0001NQ-Fl; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:59:36 -0800 Received: from mail-yb0-f195.google.com ([209.85.213.195]:34498) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eFx5j-0001Ko-9a for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:59:04 -0800 Received: by mail-yb0-f195.google.com with SMTP id k40so1250950ybj.1 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:58:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4CQd4iyezmucY3P27izwRvnYeaszE2zUq1Z3VMZW2UQ=; b=th+RdkwAIQ5WAzNruskYnUsGhH4GNyyT1QFnBu69HD4z7Fd/1NEa793BvzBO+HCRBO YuGuWtLDqELfJ0NNasOldWak7YZFjX0F51RC4aOskkNRAdF8Y68LnSPOiXSS0jRC19Io CinfxJMXjWQkCz/OLdLeYad2o8jKJ5ZjAbun1FWgTGx44tTSnvdmv2Uxn07v2VrREavC lOnTpor1GTBW5wcEJbnoDvM+mdAcmG6wh0WfJfZneU5HzKiM0ihy4YZI2YeJ+klTJYrP 7bi6rZ2j+zJUcpOvPmceUJhbPG0I5M5SQRO4NsVrTe5WwcBH6ESe/fvC2+RsMLSOHtRt p3Fg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4CQd4iyezmucY3P27izwRvnYeaszE2zUq1Z3VMZW2UQ=; b=XbPcwyqs05Tun3IYXHp74iPwMgiluY9gv90Nsb24sQrNQEzLqsq+0ArlyeOuunNEep 2XutmOYVtrhxwpH18Vg4ksNkyGUiZFEGkTVyVXYNN5TN3BLPdsenWo3HuRCNhUiIaIc3 TJ/8pPAR/HM92waLzdkAjwLyMwqEpjbGiaJJNcI4Fy4P65CgZEekwbdB2HG0Okwag2Hz eL8TJUF2EVqRfmx2inqgRaFfkYZDOJMrmmq0a7tEQ127QjRTjzFjX3cesiJPSeXAkwUH m3fdSnnVf+tCiAlJK85mYqAWxjPPk3+b1PJltWqLWxbtIgtUFDbF8GODSGTilvsbG1Lj g8SQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6AwdvDfYiO+q8h48CBA5RQBsOZTbk20Wqh7EpIDkCKbkzeIux7 y7CiPvI5qrE3LchZ2AeXUKb0oGzo0OKU+epj6YQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZr00IxIwFTnWeajlI/49RtrouZ5T/bo5dlq9jfLvXRM0yEElguLmMiCGFCPs0OHf6MAC6v+sfzcXm9cjK7MBI= X-Received: by 10.37.187.200 with SMTP id c8mr4626755ybk.36.1510988331067; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:58:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.75.135 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.75.135 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:58:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0a1fc3cb-02ae-9fdd-acbe-058e034f573a@lojban.org> From: Curtis Franks Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 01:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2364608401385091509==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2364608401385091509== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043db5ecbbb057055e3c624d" --f403043db5ecbbb057055e3c624d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoever is currently on the Board should remain so unless they explicitly announce otherwise for themselves (per individual). If necessary, I make this a formal proposal or second any similar proposal which provides extra details. If necessary, I hereby vote in favor of them when the time comes. On Nov 16, 2017 22:37, "Creative Care Services" wrote: > Lojbab's latest post, which follows, makes it clear that several steps > in the meeting went by too fast for everyone to see and respond to them. > Here's a list of what has already been raised. > > * Because mukti is unable to participate regularly I put the reading of > minutes from the last meeting aside until he is able to read them or > someone else offers to summarize the meeting notes for the rest of us. > > * We then heard what reports were available (again putting mukti's on > hold). > > * A request was made by the president for anyone interested in joining th= e > voting membership or anyone interested in leaving the membership to state > such a desire. No one did over the next several days. > > I recently announced mistakenly that the next section is for old business= , > however lojbab has reminded me that election of the board is the next ord= er > of business. > > In order to accommodate the need to have our Board elected before the end > of this month, I hereby open the floor for statements of nomination (for > oneself or another) of new board members, and statements of continued > interest from those now serving on the board. Transfer from the 2017 boar= d > to the 2018 board will, as lojbab stated, take place at the conclusion of > this membership meeting. These will be accepted through 12:00 midnight GM= T > on =C5=83ovember 21, 2017. > > Since others may not have realized that all these sections of the meeting > have already been opened to discussion, I will happily back up to make > sure that all members and other participants in this meeting feel that th= ey > have been heard. If any of you would like more discussion on any of hese > topics, please announce this in an email to this list before 12:00 midnig= ht > GMT the end of November 19, 2017. I want to leave some time for any > discussion requested to occur before voting occurs on the Board for 2018. > > . karis. > > On Nov 15, 2017 19:52, "Bob LeChevalier" wrote: > > On 11/14/2017 4:40 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> >> >> 2017-11-14 10:39 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services > >: >> >> >> If this meeting was paralyzed we'd still be taking roll. We aren't >> going to discuss this further until it's brought up as new business, >> as I know Gleki plans to do >> >> First, an official statement that the membership tensing as it was >> with the exception of And Rosta. I leave it to Riley to list all the >> names at this point in the meeting writeup. >> >> No one has suggested any new members or asked to be removed so we >> proceed >> >> What old business do the rest of you want addressed? Please state >> these topics and explain a bit where you believe it's necessary. I >> expect this to be complete by 12:00 noon GMT on 11/18/2017. >> > > > My opinion (which can be overridden by the chair) >> > > After committee reports, the next item is a call for any new members (who > should have been enrolled on the list earlier, but I don't know if mukti > added anyone). People can nominate someone not present, and if accepted = by > the membership would be invited to join the meeting. > > > Then we elect the new Board of Directors which will take office after thi= s > meeting ends (and then the new Board will elect new officers). > > Old and then New business comes after the Board election. Old business > consists of topics discussed at prior meetings, especially if they involv= ed > motions that were passed. Anything to do with byfy, LLG role in the > language OTHER THAN appointing the BYFY chair, and management of the > website, and Pierre's committee-of-one effort to create a testing/skill > rating system are the 4 things I know would be old business. You need to > look at old minutes to see if there are other topics. Unfortunately, > without mukti, there are no minutes for last meeting to approve (which > should have been earlier in the meeting, but there is no help for that). > > New business is anything else. gleki's previous postings would still be > new business if they never made it to the status of an approved motion in= a > prior meeting. > > Lojbab > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403043db5ecbbb057055e3c624d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoever is currently on the Board should remain so unless= they explicitly announce otherwise for themselves (per individual). If nec= essary, I make this a formal proposal or second any similar proposal which = provides extra details.

If nec= essary, I hereby vote in favor of them when the time comes.

On Nov 16, 2017 22:37= , "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0Lojbab's latest post, w= hich follows,=C2=A0 makes it clear that several steps in the meeting went b= y too fast for everyone to see and respond to them. Here's a list of wh= at has already been raised.=C2=A0

* Because mukti is unable to participate regularly I put the reading of= minutes from the last meeting aside until he is able to read them or someo= ne else offers to summarize the meeting notes for the rest of us.=C2=A0

* We then heard what report= s were available (again putting mukti's on hold).=C2=A0

* A request was made by the president= for anyone interested in joining the voting membership or anyone intereste= d in leaving the membership to state such a desire. No one did over the nex= t several days.=C2=A0

I = recently announced mistakenly that the next section is for old business, ho= wever lojbab has reminded me that election of the board is the next order o= f business.

In order to = accommodate the need to have our Board elected before the end of this month= , I hereby open the floor for statements of nomination (for oneself or anot= her) of new board members, and statements of continued interest from those = now serving on the board. Transfer from the 2017 board to the 2018 board wi= ll, as lojbab stated, take place at the conclusion of this membership meeti= ng. These will be accepted through 12:00 midnight GMT on =C5=83ovember 21, = 2017.

Since others may n= ot have realized that all these sections of the meeting have already been o= pened to discussion,=C2=A0I will hap= pily back up to make sure that all members and other participants in this m= eeting feel that they have been heard. If any of you would like more discus= sion on any of hese topics, please announce this in an email to this list b= efore 12:00 midnight GMT the end of November 19, 2017. I want to leave some= time for any discussion requested to occur before voting occurs on the Boa= rd for 2018.=C2=A0
=
. karis.=C2=A0=

On Nov 15, 2017 19:52, "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:<= br type=3D"attribution">
On 11/14/2017 4:40 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2017-11-14 10:39 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com <mailto:= comcaresvcs@gmai= l.com>>:


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If this meeting was paralyzed we'd still be taking roll. = We aren't
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 going to discuss this further until it's brought up as ne= w business,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as I know Gleki plans to do

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 First, an official statement that the membership tensing as i= t was
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with the exception of And Rosta. I leave it to Riley to list = all the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 names at this point in the meeting writeup.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 No one has suggested any new members or asked to be removed s= o we
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 proceed

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What old business do the rest of you want addressed? Please s= tate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 these topics and explain a bit where you believe it's nec= essary. I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 expect this to be complete by 12:00 noon GMT on 11/18/2017. <= /div>


My opinion (which can be overridden by th= e chair)

After committee reports, the next item is a call for any new members (who s= hould have been enrolled on the list earlier, but I don't know if mukti= added anyone).=C2=A0 People can nominate someone not present, and if accep= ted by the membership would be invited to join the meeting.


Then we elect the new Board of Directors which will take office after this = meeting ends (and then the new Board will elect new officers).

Old and then New business comes after the Board election.=C2=A0 Old busines= s consists of topics discussed at prior meetings, especially if they involv= ed motions that were passed.=C2=A0 Anything to do with byfy, LLG role in th= e language OTHER THAN appointing the BYFY chair, and management of the webs= ite, and Pierre's committee-of-one effort to create a testing/skill rat= ing system are the 4 things I know would be old business.=C2=A0 You need to= look at old minutes to see if there are other topics.=C2=A0 Unfortunately,= without mukti, there are no minutes for last meeting to approve (which sho= uld have been earlier in the meeting, but there is no help for that).

New business is anything else.=C2=A0 gleki's previous postings would st= ill be new business if they never made it to the status of an approved moti= on in a prior meeting.

Lojbab


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