Received: from localhost ([::1]:52762 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQk6e-00063u-Uc; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:20:36 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f177.google.com ([209.85.217.177]:45177) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQk68-00060H-BU for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:20:05 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f177.google.com with SMTP id h2so9633889uae.12 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:20:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IfLDzHIjg3AdmqNj6NqWqBClTYtLwN6Sq0lf5gGVxg4=; b=KnjBp26Rwjk6jrmtPn7+fPqXAAAU+fiVsUUt8DVMWDRK8wuomgZo5xLfSXdJjm5nN3 HnrVPsrZvD0CW4zqMhSQUTF2Mi7KzrRGJF7DU0XTl35yVaJ0VSIlamGGozVqvqzmkEUa oEnIqayX6SNg9NHmVqFHQy8a1k/Bj6K9lN9z+6rNZe41WlRcf37oEVNiIq59psvUXo2n QPuhPfqesc/nBZpUVHUwutTXPFnJ1Wu9KkaMrtGDb3pPiGk6uFma/QavBzsNYeGJBxYE HG9CNaMGMGCsckCr+y68kDY+IHUBY08pyF1Ztq33PzwYMZY3NG1ySyJ6qPDj8fXRqwq4 TWzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IfLDzHIjg3AdmqNj6NqWqBClTYtLwN6Sq0lf5gGVxg4=; b=C7NNar2FKulQVGS6Zqfe66k5IjdOXUNv9aUd5uw1Li/EXUYJZl/wAeNj3+Lw2P+N5T VwBIO9LQhKmExsTUGenmEzcHKqIpu+va3/QRRCC39sTt+QIOjcccrh5iMW0ebeN1eL0c n7kxuZfBLGy+GvwfE5aL0dr+WXzflsPiImvvJFOCkMVIrf/Owg0Uz9CaNPhuveGy5fFp Oy7KXUc8j/3iuyG5TOcs/mJwYKopUuW/zWpV7a9RaBjZpiw8OrEj7awfRNTcDNDJizcB Qq4bfPbKSXOQMBzYkKIwuQWeEkuWJCOVf/cW4T7EipWwtJiqhBgQ+0hmUgwkpxIWoD+f jmfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJG1a5VrFVvLeDn6wyIJ3XX/J+A25GA3L61XK8qItcc7bOLVPDw /Wg/ergbzEIrRYlPo6Py+RtFGc+s5uwyvpBXfW0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotKmhLHFtCCTKcgmUw0dv3O+hogs4BHl9Shqfu+bdwWwTM4yLS9h1NwmnPc0DI32y/d1wcIQTkHdexZKR4tNao= X-Received: by 10.176.1.134 with SMTP id 6mr2444046ual.180.1513559997257; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:19:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:19:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Creative Care Services Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 20:19:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6825088650111002833==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6825088650111002833== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113bcdc2fb9d9905609325f7" --001a113bcdc2fb9d9905609325f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In relation to Pierre's comment about the BPFK prophecy to rewire cmavo definitions, can any of you speak to how complete the work on this project is currently? . karis. On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services wrote= : > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the last > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss that > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have th= e > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of speed > as well. The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been clear to me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition should do: *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means. *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it. The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. It has at least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier. It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction out of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jorne le girzu I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spanish tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack PEG (or YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash in CIDR. Pierre -- When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --001a113bcdc2fb9d9905609325f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In relation to Pierre's comment about the BPFK p= rophecy to rewire cmavo definitions, can any of you speak to how complete t= he work on this project is currently?=C2=A0

. karis.=C2=A0

On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat= " <phma@bezitopo.org> w= rote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Service= s wrote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never = been clear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

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J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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