Received: from localhost ([::1]:54032 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpIk-00085P-VF; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:53:26 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:45689) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpIE-00084W-K0 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:52:55 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 9so27023651wme.4 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:52:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nF6xIXTbkWwcET1MKY6vJZmsQ9h0LBwTDnw7iR9VR5s=; b=a6nGFGiS/XlgIY6IXCWHgZM35dXfkyGxKnGlyR4/ri2hM0H8GwaHjC9cHMpu9MLb+F k3A3MlPOV1Iv2tjinJDP0GbTqXN8WQgTdHNtc6vnT+D7e/UBjEKWKbyz6JQemlz7BN6G rqOvJw/8ZsR1vAP7tp2rY48BGN64g2xog4by+yg/fx6CgDL1vo1WlYdPlXSUbpprd50E TOBFlX4XvBa0TQsHALcbjavjC4ZlTJfvtwSSKWUFzrPGbaZL7ox6GQmEEz2N0Wpmf+9+ yt0yRDvnTXThjmOodY/6H4TLFoTOTW0gWTcfarcWSTKlkf/u3K4Zbv8So6v4gcm0AQPA yzRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nF6xIXTbkWwcET1MKY6vJZmsQ9h0LBwTDnw7iR9VR5s=; b=UKP42l5IO/L3x7JzZjNpmfh67lLY3fM+hnAMIFw/+xAa0hXJMwUkBfoNmZ0x0KaP63 4D21WYbr5ztrQn2tN++L3B7azCn1Dx0VJJIDqRz7C8GC98iGRvDGDWx28KIzkCBJ+xnR Jq34v1adjugA+RH3C+4bzAwVlgLTCTnogx5KiJUZaWu2WK2SOmKWoiwO8uTjxqx5BU8v CyB2wd4jg9zzteGNCfUo4YJabpH0+FYvRT/lPmSxfO1+ip43lDzD8ZUVWlmUik3ZqohU 4ESdpKuGSo4KECMZjqWzl9Z2OhRgB0mnlos8SBXtyeAYqXDF2fXu+5gaE5+JqumUKm2U 6dSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mI5Hr+BbQ9HuLSVFbyQe4QwaiFZBQjpAAzu/I0PVacJq1SqYT0l ccKQ46rgkqdPNqS3zXKwxv5z9s+V64rnRr6DMg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovFOEs79jADG3eZcRYS9WXj9AGUUmCW46hqarYwEh7bICM3y3QrWPYhHZNfrVY6CxJ1yylO85/G6DiXI9ZlxIg= X-Received: by 10.80.146.77 with SMTP id j13mr28489740eda.298.1513579967794; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:52:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.219 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:52:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:52:07 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8192605115659487089==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8192605115659487089== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0c3a5651d3ec056097ccba" --94eb2c0c3a5651d3ec056097ccba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2017-12-18 9:47 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the > current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO to > be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I > expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo . > > I do not know what CIDR is. > And you may also discuss who should approve such proposals, BPFK or LLG. > > On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services >> wrote: >> > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the >> last >> > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss >> that >> > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have >> the >> > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of >> speed >> > as well. >> >> The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been >> clear to >> me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the ne= w >> definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition >> should >> do: >> >> *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it >> means. >> >> *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the >> correct word to use in it. >> >> The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. It >> has at >> least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: >> >> *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. >> >> *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. >> >> *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifie= r. >> >> It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence >> conjunction out >> of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: >> >> la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. >> jorne >> le girzu >> >> I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spanis= h >> tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever th= e >> bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI >> (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack >> PEG (or >> YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash in >> CIDR. >> >> Pierre >> >> -- >> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c0c3a5651d3ec056097ccba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2017-12-18 9:47 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:
=
I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO = (in the current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of G= AhO to be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned= . I expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of=C2=A0= https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensio= nality_of_Interval_cmavo .

I do n= ot know what CIDR is.

And you may als= o discuss who should approve such proposals, BPFK or LLG.

=C2=A0

On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, &= quot;Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1= 3, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services wrote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been c= lear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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