Received: from localhost ([::1]:54064 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpK0-000897-5Q; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:54:44 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f172.google.com ([209.85.217.172]:46383) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpJT-00086h-Tm for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:54:13 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n9so1446261ual.13 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:54:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=aB26cGgaKHILAU9sk5/1o/y6r4tXkQTTxr2yyy/qIho=; b=cdQ6551dZTXOnopRSVMKP1IH4jnrn3nIX2b/fzCYj6fr41MEmUAkgq9VRYxEZmcEBE y+tQbjq8Xz1Opg0q0z9/IZYZxa6qH8hcB3DlLf9JZ5hKmaDhWxyJ16+9VLqudamCMouD NcHpSkO4LCrQk7NuVF0Q2eYVO0vURAoQjrRApXTyZyF3Y49b7DEwc8eQt+wtfx+fbtnR MLylUrP/Lxo8p7Jqto+i9u95Od8/gu2Y7m8h2Qx9QFBNDvtvLehhXYW3+pjKMYKltipX +mSSNg7WBueVHHnkd2hLkxUWC4LSth7eIy78/5o6E+kx/HqLvaDAyNFXc6H35Nx6f/wF reZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=aB26cGgaKHILAU9sk5/1o/y6r4tXkQTTxr2yyy/qIho=; b=Ol/nizrEyj3TNIJT9f0XsVkZ60ZUNVhDKhzAq6x1XMNuNn1X6Qu6EdgPaiYpiR03kx ZSefUhmrQUcOvrGyK73ySQ7WZUDsIOdVWQetSQAJYGdqgq1fHQgI6lTDOZzmHuz8BXOW BejnG+b/ITpcSTG6Yay8ZOSDy1Z2Pgwb04OMZNXfkQt+qcSI0nRY0rf18JJ3/PhnaYm9 nfDYtOf2EUBISKUpOWDMbjbH5HYrK/5IjivPMXSQFFhUzkS+TjfP/UJo0x2jZjzBbXxL D/5AxkmznZSBFYOp9IEeBuPJf8AODyDj2lnr4cLOWmgSQYO8RrtDFB9bFOVvusCEwM7x T0Ag== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKMVsmSQhNd8RM93WRzoq1kaYO6GlI1Sr08tzShEKwdw/7C5lbq HwhWX1Hues098kZBhCHM2WJd9Uk5VyvuPSiW+UMF5Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosBML5Pp90bBLEFSyewoLyt4VPTN7nS4NjO6kdEOY0afwU3zBIDViRFK4l9kYyw4ElUZigoAsAta/O3NpiTtjs= X-Received: by 10.176.22.132 with SMTP id e4mr23263816uaf.148.1513580044930; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:54:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.79.34 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:53:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Alex Burka Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 01:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.5 X-Spam_score_int: -44 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1277965668541393751==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1277965668541393751== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f6c90ead1db056097d0c9" --f403045f6c90ead1db056097d0c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Getting into the questions about actual cmavo here is perhaps a bit more into the weeds than we need to do for the LLG meeting? The progress can be seen here: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Franks wrote: > I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the > current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO to > be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I > expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo . > > I do not know what CIDR is. > > On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services >> wrote: >> > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the >> last >> > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss >> that >> > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have >> the >> > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of >> speed >> > as well. >> >> The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been >> clear to >> me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the ne= w >> definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition >> should >> do: >> >> *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it >> means. >> >> *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the >> correct word to use in it. >> >> The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. It >> has at >> least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: >> >> *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. >> >> *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. >> >> *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifie= r. >> >> It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence >> conjunction out >> of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: >> >> la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. >> jorne >> le girzu >> >> I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spanis= h >> tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever th= e >> bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI >> (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack >> PEG (or >> YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash in >> CIDR. >> >> Pierre >> >> -- >> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403045f6c90ead1db056097d0c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Getting into the questions about actual cmavo here is perh= aps a bit more into the weeds than we need to do for the LLG meeting? The p= rogress can be seen here:=C2=A0https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM= , Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I agre= e that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the current/one-dime= nsional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO to be undetermined/e= lliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I expound upon this to= pic in the appropriately labelled portions of=C2=A0https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_= cmavo .

I do not know what CIDR is.

On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services wr= ote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been c= lear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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