Received: from localhost ([::1]:54214 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpUm-00008j-08; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:05:52 -0800 Received: from mail-yb0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]:34088) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpUG-00006i-00 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:05:21 -0800 Received: by mail-yb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id z11so10357964ybm.1 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:05:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YBIXhF0K6Y2nC0JTrKMNDwOipSogrk/Ph77batsnD2I=; b=KeTDnWpT5z5geQ9q8yON/3reL9MuJmNOjqinG6ot1wY0RS+MhUJ+Pdq2iaRukyMB2n 7l8Aa88NcUGWFypr8OwLqmus2wubV8eEZ/ioVhd+4UQ97W3VP6h075mtBj/qly9r3WBI xH8oVhf48LkCYB71zWMmBIAB3FGrNtZ+QGr+iDOR35hliIc9sGBvIbbH4XzLg8p3nBUt DkV+qIUY2vCqC05+ZAkU9c8d51RsIQSSVxNWIk+nMGNZqTNX6++wsCjcqATO1buigTFm ogSQIXp2a6OaWhrBiul3AKNnhZ5oAskFchXD/QFOBHuLB86VzMB+AC0KBMiO7fm4qjGZ JWOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YBIXhF0K6Y2nC0JTrKMNDwOipSogrk/Ph77batsnD2I=; b=FHYzN4QAiYkpfPPE+Gqx02sFEelcZQN+60Fg1iDnH63vdB4Zhcu2PhtD4jXt4HyBK8 5fORTIQOMQsViVLNAuAmFdocMYQtOrKxCkcaAhuKFxpEGIQ39Ipf8jgX/896Y0O+rkVe etNCCDoB7nA/RVk2S9nJQfwE4ppNXo7MGxdczt1uiHab97HclOJGSexWzhZxnn6jOmkC ix4cLbCIQnHdDNfLCsA13VwkM6lhnIB95IuoSSawfcGZZGZA7nn4T6BcJjtUmykhid9a G3WIXEDSb2X10EfXWz0jWbl9Vhl/b38SkrINl4AVvpp/idnoqngkjeSQ4R0b8FHl41tb NzCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIY7ELUbmR77L3s+qgp5MOsght7QiJqPp2WMTeIXxHHbEwcJko6 6AWu4LzNew9jPkGw5+tZC6vEzUkFIRZLqBGzICM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouPo65ZKqV/XfNPvxI63akuWw+aiHyhO5O9p/ENrEwPjM2cEmx1vGFAvSEgy366ZKMc5BMLY/Qu0HwHcMemtkE= X-Received: by 10.129.39.194 with SMTP id n185mr6305743ywn.143.1513580713700; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:05:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.135.9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.135.9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:05:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Curtis Franks Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 02:05:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5125150098294594273==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5125150098294594273== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11414794c773bf056097f8b2" --001a11414794c773bf056097f8b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. I was simply validating a particular viewpoint which had been raised. We should have such a discussion somewhere though. On Dec 18, 2017 01:54, "Alex Burka" wrote: > Getting into the questions about actual cmavo here is perhaps a bit more > into the weeds than we need to do for the LLG meeting? The progress can b= e > seen here: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Franks > wrote: > >> I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the >> current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO t= o >> be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I >> expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of >> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo . >> >> I do not know what CIDR is. >> >> On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services >>> wrote: >>> > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the >>> last >>> > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss >>> that >>> > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have >>> the >>> > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of >>> speed >>> > as well. >>> >>> The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been >>> clear to >>> me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the n= ew >>> definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition >>> should >>> do: >>> >>> *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what i= t >>> means. >>> >>> *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out th= e >>> correct word to use in it. >>> >>> The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. It >>> has at >>> least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: >>> >>> *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. >>> >>> *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. >>> >>> *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti >>> qualifier. >>> >>> It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence >>> conjunction out >>> of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: >>> >>> la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. >>> jorne >>> le girzu >>> >>> I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh >>> tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever t= he >>> bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI >>> (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack >>> PEG (or >>> YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash i= n >>> CIDR. >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> -- >>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11414794c773bf056097f8b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree. I was simply validating a particular viewpoint w= hich had been raised.

We shoul= d have such a discussion somewhere though.=C2=A0

On Dec 18, 2017 01:54, &quo= t;Alex Burka" <durka42@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Getting into the questions about actual cmavo here is perhap= s a bit more into the weeds than we need to do for the LLG meeting? The pro= gress can be seen here:=C2=A0https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections

On Mon, De= c 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:

I do not = know what CIDR is.

On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrot= e:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 = PM EST Creative Care Services wrote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been c= lear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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