Received: from localhost ([::1]:34464 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eRAN8-00024H-4S; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:23:22 -0800 Received: from mail-wr0-f180.google.com ([209.85.128.180]:45149) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eRAMb-00022c-Kw for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:22:50 -0800 Received: by mail-wr0-f180.google.com with SMTP id h1so16903426wre.12 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:22:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=suwfrEwFnGQ6i5MkQCENPXT+R6VHI22mmhHrrt9PRic=; b=PTvflnGV5dHws32KXLpO6hr1sfOyKz1zdjqqdqOyNYZc5k9XiUdQE2er/6Ewu7YKjC sgK9NL+HIVGfrbs851wyFlU26CYltJAXrIMWG1H9ouLrqwxOhqWfA4GOokEKM1I7su5r hxYzn9U7oVeJEY2xcTC43ZB/r63QEWa/gOHmxylQYbE7VOROrIxQEqAciDc0fM+p+9zf /C8jn1bFsCBlOO5yyrWVpu4+M8im5yG4Nz4+DOh8Xq77F8V3JvH7zclMGaLUYyKnfOzV nleBG7PVyZBidlggIxyHvRigEN1tIe6w6WG6zwo3Fi6UPtGvk370f0ev7+Ov/OUY4+XE ZCdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=suwfrEwFnGQ6i5MkQCENPXT+R6VHI22mmhHrrt9PRic=; b=fMW7g6m3vEATbdJE8PevK3i2U43SFKWl3dEe4wQDdQeTfzIIdV5KMGOeba+NWUwZs2 8YUFxglHDE0YEfqKO1/cT1i4kqPyRRBavWlp2fSYHlmzHM+cIo7J6EEkN21vi3zhQIzQ 7zDngGoBYDfCpH3gtn+xVdd1bWjoXsDrF2Rc8cbhp7mLlOFhNhZz8HH+EedDkImIqKzl Dr0pHAa5YBalrCJfmF+65za+yRzICOiA5kYHwnha+uDpzpIRxqFS4ZLjbE0q1lmHwBm2 SubN3pO3nlJUL/tHKm8JCqGY1E6/7wKVxa0PSA5RDCkILXqfWjekz+YyBMRQ9VV97UOd wqRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKTYyEWxncSWU4TaEAXkR7xlH8dU+dXZ+OoyN4YGCG88/lY9DUi hoqefh4y5mk4ydiek12bzqJp0INo2rVuokxUIw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouLX6NjW9RvhUnNkZU3k9/2tnvd0IkJDsO2GDt5cERbWkgfadkTNwJVIX/FAWrQgQc84Ihb3yAJX6X3P2HEW74= X-Received: by 10.223.167.70 with SMTP id e6mr2964350wrd.235.1513660962730; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:22:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.219 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:22:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:22:02 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.3 X-Spam_score_int: -32 X-Spam_bar: --- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2040644440990051421==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2040644440990051421== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1cb002fe76330560aaa72a" --94eb2c1cb002fe76330560aaa72a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2017-12-19 6:34 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : > I'm glad you all seem to follow most of what I type even when my > autocorrect makes strange words selections that I don't catch. > > My understanding is that all decision making about vocabulary and grammar > was given to the BPFK during the period when I was not active with LLG. I > also think that LLG no longer has any say in the process or decisions mad= e > unless we choose to withdraw our support for it and take these duties bac= k. > Can anyone verify or correct this information? > verify with documents like archives of LLG meetings. > . karis. > > > On Dec 18, 2017 02:05, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > > I agree. I was simply validating a particular viewpoint which had been > raised. > > We should have such a discussion somewhere though. > > On Dec 18, 2017 01:54, "Alex Burka" wrote: > >> Getting into the questions about actual cmavo here is perhaps a bit more >> into the weeds than we need to do for the LLG meeting? The progress can = be >> seen here: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections >> >> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Franks > > wrote: >> >>> I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the >>> current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO = to >>> be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I >>> expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of >>> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo . >>> >>> I do not know what CIDR is. >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services >>>> wrote: >>>> > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the >>>> last >>>> > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss >>>> that >>>> > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually >>>> have the >>>> > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest o= f >>>> speed >>>> > as well. >>>> >>>> The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been >>>> clear to >>>> me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the >>>> new >>>> definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition >>>> should >>>> do: >>>> >>>> *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what = it >>>> means. >>>> >>>> *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out t= he >>>> correct word to use in it. >>>> >>>> The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. I= t >>>> has at >>>> least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: >>>> >>>> *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. >>>> >>>> *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. >>>> >>>> *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti >>>> qualifier. >>>> >>>> It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence >>>> conjunction out >>>> of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: >>>> >>>> la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys= . >>>> jorne >>>> le girzu >>>> >>>> I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a >>>> Spanish >>>> tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever >>>> the >>>> bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI >>>> (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack >>>> PEG (or >>>> YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash >>>> in CIDR. >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c1cb002fe76330560aaa72a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2017-12-19 6:34 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <= comcaresvcs@gmai= l.com>:
I= 'm glad=C2=A0 you all seem to follow most of what I type even when=C2= =A0 my autocorrect makes strange words selections that I don't catch.
My understanding is that all de= cision making about vocabulary and grammar was given to the BPFK during the= period when I was not active with LLG. I also think that LLG no longer has= any say in the process or decisions made unless we choose to withdraw our = support for it and take these duties back. Can anyone verify or correct thi= s information?=C2=A0

verify wit= h documents like archives of LLG meetings.


. karis.= =C2=A0


On Dec 18, 2017 02:05, "= ;Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree= . I was simply validating a particular viewpoint which had been raised.
We should have such a discussion = somewhere though.=C2=A0

On D= ec 18, 2017 01:54, "Alex Burka" <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:
Getting into the qu= estions about actual cmavo here is perhaps a bit more into the weeds than w= e need to do for the LLG meeting? The progress can be seen here:=C2=A0https://= mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections
=
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Fran= ks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that BIhI s= hould be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the current/one-dimensional case)= . Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO to be undetermined/elliptical/gen= eric when no explicitly mentioned. I expound upon this topic in the ap= propriately labelled portions of=C2=A0https://mw.l= ojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo .

I do not know what CIDR is.

On Dec 17, 2017 20:02= , "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 20= 17 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services wrote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been c= lear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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