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If it is written in any language other > > than English a translation is appreciated as that is the common language > > best understood by it's members at this time. The Board will then make a > > decision. What criteria it uses will be discussed at the next Board > meeting. > > Anyone can present ideas at that meeting. > > > > .karis. > > > > doi karis > > I don't think any advertisements or meetings for Lojban need official > support. > > I guess the most effective advertisements ever were Arika Okrent's In > the Land of Invented Languages and Ron Hale-Evans's Mind Performance > Hacks: > http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/ > http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596101534.do > There is also a famous novelist who wrote about Lojban in his book in > Japanese: > http://bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/product?isbn=9784062159333 > None of them received any official support. > > There were also some events and meetings that did not receive any > official support. > > I observed there is or was an active Lojban learners' group in > Augsburg, Germany. There used to be some physical meetings for > learning Lojban in Tokyo, Japan. A lojbanists' group sometimes sells > their journal about Lojban including their small works in Lojban in > big events of physical market in Tokyo, Japan. I remember also some > people talked about lojban in some meetings for computer science. I > also talked about Lojban in a philosophers' meeting in Tokyo, Japan: > https://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo > None of them received any official support. > > To conclude, Any official supports are not required for > advertisements, events or meetings. They will spontaneously occur if > someone wants. Any events for Lojban organized around your place will > be appreciated, but it is not necessary to be organized by the > official body. > > I agree to dissolving the LLG. It is actually dead. One of the pieces > of evidence is that we have not yet published any official reply to > the open letter to the LLG that was posted two years ago: > http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html > Some other pieces of evidence are that the LLG has not yet resolve the > important problems that I posted for these two years. > > I wish the balance would be contributed for education of poor > children, though I don't know whether it is possible under the US law. > > Before dissolving the LLG, however, a concrete fossil of the official > documents, especially of the CLL and the BPFK works, is neccessary for > future Lojbanists including me. I began to creat a large commentary on > the CLL in the form of video series: > https://mentulimu.github.io/ > For such a commentary, stable references are necessary. Robin's server > is not reliable: what if he suddenly becomes unavailable? The source of CLL is published on github.com and can be cloned anywhere. E.g. on can make a copy on framagit.org and gitlab.com The more copies the more chances this stuff won't be lost. Since the time CLL can be deployed from docker we nolonger depend on Robin's servers in regard to CLL. A backup of mw.lojban.org might be necessary though. As I > repeatedly discussed, we need another place where plural responsible > people and no others can manage the contents. I suggested using > github, but any other stable places other than a person's server are > acceptable. > > mi'e la guskant > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403045c228ef02053056123c3fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2017-12-25 5:25 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
2017-12-24 14:12 = GMT+00:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
> If shimmering who speaks lojban wants a subsidy to help them attend an= event
> to present then they will need to write a proposal to the Board as far= in
> advance of the event as possible. If it is written in any language oth= er
> than English a translation is appreciated as that is the common langua= ge
> best understood by it's members at this time. The Board will then = make a
> decision. What criteria it uses will be discussed at the next Board me= eting.
> Anyone can present ideas at that meeting.
>
> .karis.
>

doi karis

I don't think any advertisements or meetings for Lojban need official s= upport.

I guess the most effective advertisements ever were Arika Okrent's In the Land of Invented Languages and Ron Hale-Evans's Mind Performance Hacks:
http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596101534.d= o
There is also a famous novelist who wrote about Lojban in his book in Japan= ese:
http://bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/produ= ct?isbn=3D9784062159333
None of them received any official support.

There were also some events and meetings that did not receive any
official support.

I observed there is or was an active Lojban learners' group in
Augsburg, Germany. There used to be some physical meetings for
learning Lojban in Tokyo, Japan. A lojbanists' group sometimes sells their journal about Lojban including their small works in Lojban in
big events of physical market in Tokyo, Japan. I remember also some
people talked about lojban in some meetings for computer science. I
also talked about Lojban in a philosophers' meeting in Tokyo, Japan: https://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo
None of them received any official support.

To conclude, Any official supports are not required for
advertisements, events or meetings. They will spontaneously occur if
someone wants. Any events for Lojban organized around your place will
be appreciated, but it is not necessary to be organized by the
official body.

I agree to dissolving the LLG. It is actually dead. One of the pieces
of evidence is that we have not yet published any official reply to
the open letter to the LLG that was posted two years ago:
http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_= letter/open_letter.html
Some other pieces of evidence are that the LLG has not yet resolve the
important problems that I posted for these two years.

I wish the balance would be contributed for education of poor
children, though I don't know whether it is possible under the US law.<= br>
Before dissolving the LLG, however, a concrete fossil of the official
documents, especially of the CLL and the BPFK works, is neccessary for
future Lojbanists including me. I began to creat a large commentary on
the CLL in the form of video series:
https://mentulimu.github.io/
For such a commentary, stable references are necessary. Robin's server<= br> is not reliable: what if he suddenly becomes unavailable?
=
The source of CLL is published on github.com and can be cloned anywhere.
E.g. on can make a= copy on framagit.org and gitlab.com
The more copies the more chances = this stuff won't be lost.

Since the time C= LL can be deployed from docker we nolonger depend on Robin's servers in= regard to CLL.

A backup of mw.lojban.org might be necessary though.


As I
repeatedly discussed, we need another place where plural responsible
people and no others can manage the contents. I suggested using
github, but any other stable places other than a person's server are acceptable.

mi'e la guskant

_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@lojban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-= members

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