Received: from localhost ([::1]:40692 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eTeGU-0002hv-Av; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:42:46 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f180.google.com ([209.85.217.180]:41308) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eTeFw-0002gF-Hp for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:42:14 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f180.google.com with SMTP id x10so586467ual.8 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:42:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=EI/AkipTNuDITakv/g9cRBgIguzVEwgVp8V869f6iqA=; b=RTVt/dmcUmMuX9UJzGwF4CM5Wim7MewC/v3wQAccZhOpoG2u/cErj8fkZ6g4Lo0xxE CYrX175+WCyLCj+WKZjbqnBmzRz7wRuaXZbH3oAuJ5ySMiLsU+vroGQayT6XESxNbb8+ x+Y1twN7nrw6rfgANzmO+uXKpH0GG6/VSHz1GO+4+iZnIYPHgy6Lw8WbqGTtUBc4n64W 3vyyKmGFMrIQGVihmIWMiqHi4iyEyCT1iqh3DAwYkdOFBlc7hEI2jqfm5mIn17296UWr l/EVqnELwgGUWLyRJPgt2NiGd91ViAJjEUh+NfCENVjkxqnM3EWIcDQbjxD/puKsX02q /Zpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=EI/AkipTNuDITakv/g9cRBgIguzVEwgVp8V869f6iqA=; b=lgfm9IrQwNBrWuLwLj+DSHuerI3Dr9tCsLyaA0wLuVi0GaeMrxHLjS9UOVWlv/kmSJ dzvN3kHAHqwioGwb1K8jd9WoRKr2Hdvn6/5HxU8tXZzJuakQXxT6i8P1m4SVCMwC2zT3 XDqF/MMOUwzPuHYpHXbP4rHDR9d5FKwR2yVXKFBrRg9lJEm2jVqUeCBiIMFj5lDwM1+W raSAjwuoS8JiTzMIymWvNN/dLOFHXSk3aRHFz8BFXEt+kf83Aq0qVqUVKX/QLxIiiufG L1NPpASofNJrJIv4nBy0vr76yOgi6IqqnFtBmcxDXWM1f3D0zANpFLnSel+E+ZrT+6qb wNRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mItFUheD0llLbDLoCGZXzaBKcTyFAm/KmcEfixtILG3g3tbkxG9 XKwjYvDq2/pNprbAgynzt7fwFi8y03jiPHJEAZU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovRlGqCvbjZ2tsTrCfkirH1BIatA311/aoS6FPkprh5mZn/pyhv7Pkjrlpo14i3K3RPfPIxFzDeJ3z9WZPRUeI= X-Received: by 10.176.11.20 with SMTP id b20mr26362498uak.118.1514252525585; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:42:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:42:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7074953.2veMK8YGUJ@caracal> From: Creative Care Services Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 20:42:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business: BPFK X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8520966100010783408==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8520966100010783408== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e08266d20e34bca05613463ce" --089e08266d20e34bca05613463ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Dec 24, 2017 21:26, "guskant" wrote: 2017-12-24 14:12 GMT+00:00 Creative Care Services : > If shimmering who speaks lojban wants a subsidy to help them attend an event > to present then they will need to write a proposal to the Board as far in > advance of the event as possible. If it is written in any language other > than English a translation is appreciated as that is the common language > best understood by it's members at this time. The Board will then make a > decision. What criteria it uses will be discussed at the next Board meeting. > Anyone can present ideas at that meeting. > > .karis. > doi karis I don't think any advertisements or meetings for Lojban need official support. I guess the most effective advertisements ever were Arika Okrent's In the Land of Invented Languages and Ron Hale-Evans's Mind Performance Hacks: http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/ http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596101534.do There is also a famous novelist who wrote about Lojban in his book in Japanese: http://bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/product?isbn=9784062159333 None of them received any official support. There were also some events and meetings that did not receive any official support. I observed there is or was an active Lojban learners' group in Augsburg, Germany. There used to be some physical meetings for learning Lojban in Tokyo, Japan. A lojbanists' group sometimes sells their journal about Lojban including their small works in Lojban in big events of physical market in Tokyo, Japan. I remember also some people talked about lojban in some meetings for computer science. I also talked about Lojban in a philosophers' meeting in Tokyo, Japan: https://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo None of them received any official support. To conclude, Any official supports are not required for advertisements, events or meetings. They will spontaneously occur if someone wants. Any events for Lojban organized around your place will be appreciated, but it is not necessary to be organized by the official body. We are taking about increasing awareness beyond where it is now. This requires us to look to alternative methods and variations on what has already been done. I agree to dissolving the LLG. It is actually dead. One of the pieces of evidence is that we have not yet published any official reply to the open letter to the LLG that was posted two years ago: http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html Some other pieces of evidence are that the LLG has not yet resolve the important problems that I posted for these two years. Two points : 1) Dissolution of LLG is much too important to discuss mixed in and among other topics. It will be addressed during this meeting, but not until the other issues are addressed. 2) Guskant, your concerns were addressed last winter in an open meeting you attended. I understand you are not happy with the results of that discussion, however that is a different issue. .karis. --089e08266d20e34bca05613463ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Dec 24, 2017 21:26, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
2017-12-24 14:12 GMT+0= 0:00 Creative Care Services <co= mcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
> If shimmering who speaks lojban wants a subsidy to help them attend an= event
> to present then they will need to write a proposal to the Board as far= in
> advance of the event as possible. If it is written in any language oth= er
> than English a translation is appreciated as that is the common langua= ge
> best understood by it's members at this time. The Board will then = make a
> decision. What criteria it uses will be discussed at the next Board me= eting.
> Anyone can present ideas at that meeting.
>
> .karis.
>

doi karis

I don't think any advertisements or meetings for Lojban need official s= upport.

I guess the most effective advertisements ever were Arika Okrent's In the Land of Invented Languages and Ron Hale-Evans's Mind Performance Hacks:
http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596101534.d= o
There is also a famous novelist who wrote about Lojban in his book in Japan= ese:
http://bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/produ= ct?isbn=3D9784062159333
None of them received any official support.

There were also some events and meetings that did not receive any
official support.

I observed there is or was an active Lojban learners' group in
Augsburg, Germany. There used to be some physical meetings for
learning Lojban in Tokyo, Japan. A lojbanists' group sometimes sells their journal about Lojban including their small works in Lojban in
big events of physical market in Tokyo, Japan. I remember also some
people talked about lojban in some meetings for computer science. I
also talked about Lojban in a philosophers' meeting in Tokyo, Japan: https://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo
None of them received any official support.

To conclude, Any official supports are not required for
advertisements, events or meetings. They will spontaneously occur if
someone wants. Any events for Lojban organized around your place will
be appreciated, but it is not necessary to be organized by the
official body.

We are taking about increasing awareness beyond where i= t is now. This requires us to look to alternative methods and variations on= what has already been done.=C2=A0

I agree to dissolving the LLG. It is actually dead. One of t= he pieces
of evidence is that we have not yet published any official reply to
the open letter to the LLG that was posted two years ago:
http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_= letter/open_letter.html
Some other pieces of evidence are that the LLG has not yet resolve the
important problems that I posted for these two years.

Two points :

1) Dissolution of LLG is mu= ch too important to discuss mixed in and among other topics. It will be add= ressed during this meeting, but not until the other issues are addressed.= =C2=A0

2) Guskant, your = concerns were addressed last winter in an open meeting you attended. I unde= rstand you are not happy with the results of that discussion, however that = is a different issue.=C2=A0

.karis.
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