Received: from localhost ([::1]:40418 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eUpJV-0005Zb-Ag; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 23:42:45 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:35817) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eUpIz-0005Xc-Ak for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 23:42:14 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a79so7937449wma.0 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 23:42:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=I4xA5cQh3cFkb8nINu70VCxM/A1kLveIrw0OCGHgHRo=; b=YH3nAvckJnOoGgJCRQcE1SfM78ZGI2EuMaDOM/F+T0onxqs2LvT4RqAtJVl6PPGdVJ sdyT/H40sKhFOdO1m2yShwWgjdk4FE4qZn809zUrzkoSscHPxUcHC8eMExKaTuI47fIm JGmurErFQpjciNfwoj/B0ztAwFVLT8WHHW3KkxL7LByrfxgEv9Iirh9zgJuFzMLB3JlF sHJ2lqgx5FDprcKaFQsTnfvDDAulecWQ5PF4ckigE5MuQsWW+MKQ0YQKU0hLvZV8xw4s Ude2dJ9t/N9p/nDxrfM3RYdoDxFIVAFlrWo0fyOFpQVsjwXlK2vlyB18d456VfmbaA87 7w1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=I4xA5cQh3cFkb8nINu70VCxM/A1kLveIrw0OCGHgHRo=; b=QN/2/rofT1jPMSKFNxGUzckoUlpg3rmfaHEGlqa5bhQIbvPY6McKQZblKCdknWujme IiDPuqK8+PYYSWrEgq+DBFFAleDVVZP+d1Vg3yhQazZEbpsRujiTTdHZ1vLse6jzNcq6 MBpcRUrU1ItL5j1+WDvuehtHLvogPuUoyKEJFt7nTHCdIqUxgaZePrmqxGlFJAp8qh9z wWEYE6PWqLUnIrtynzTbGhk2NGlSJ+aelC4U/ze8/N0gvnCassd3+bbteogZhjG3lxcJ 1n+hGpAjJdVosr2VJxiTQUQWJb3kFs5GIMDd2jQVP8EseBRnxTCnB5Ea5IU3MiDw3hgO qDoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLcYcE6GBx2BNLvgCMDkB8E64UZOHNUBuQcliZruUyRtTgFIriU uqV0K86/8LnXsr7kU8806GqenONFxw1oP6PDmaF0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBov3bGLmjeq1Jy/86dV72biHG4WxkOHv/hZ21q/Yf+MI/OF2zdSCif085iYrNsMRWK5PYTcpxCgmVRULsthJEZc= X-Received: by 10.80.147.93 with SMTP id n29mr42530178eda.237.1514533326238; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 23:42:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.219 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 23:41:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:41:25 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion proposal - Unofficialness Disclaimer X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3304375573391164662==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3304375573391164662== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a8c0ee93626056175c457" --94eb2c1a8c0ee93626056175c457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2017-12-29 10:25 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > I move that: All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must > contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and > managed by voluntary > people, and that the marked contents are not necessarily harmonized with > the official design of Lojban and may not reflect, let alone perfectly > comply with, official specifications of the same. > > (This motion is intended to satisfy part of guskant's desires, related > elsewhere. I copied a quasi-motion by them nearly verbatim.) > In which language? We already have a message for pages in Lojban: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Template:Jbocre in English: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Template:Jbocre/en and probably in Japanese: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Template:Jbocre/ja Should this message reflect the language currently selected by mediawiki's user? Where would you like to put such message? In the footer? ___ > > It is a little premature, but I raise the following concerns: > =E2=80=A2 How do we decide which content should be so disclaimed? What co= nstitutes > "official" content for these purposes? How do we review content and, late= r, > disclaimers - particularly in a fashion which is quick enough to handle > edits made by users. > =E2=80=A2 Do we even have the authority to demand or enforce such disclai= mers? The > website is a wiki and, so, can be edited by anyone and can presumably > develop its own community standards. > =E2=80=A2 Is this disclaimer sufficient and sufficiently descriptive for = the > relevant purposes and desires? > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c1a8c0ee93626056175c457 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2017-12-29 10:25 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:
= I move that: All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a dis= claimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and managed by volunta= ry
people, and that the marked co= ntents are not necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban an= d may not reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications= of the same.

(This motion is intended to satisfy part= of guskant's desires, related elsewhere. I copied a quasi-motion by th= em nearly verbatim.)

In = which language? We already have a message for pages in Lojban:=C2=A0
<= div>https://mw.lojb= an.org/papri/Template:Jbocre
in English:
and probably in Japanese:
<= div>https://mw.l= ojban.org/papri/Template:Jbocre/ja

Should = this message reflect the language currently selected by mediawiki's use= r?

Where would you like to put such message? In th= e footer?

___

It is a little prematu= re, but I raise the following concerns:
=E2=80=A2 How do we deci= de which content should be so disclaimed? What constitutes "official&q= uot; content for these purposes? How do we review content and, later, discl= aimers - particularly in a fashion which is quick enough to handle edits ma= de by users.
=E2=80=A2 Do we even have the authority to demand o= r enforce such disclaimers? The website is a wiki and, so, can be edited by= anyone and can presumably develop its own community standards.
= =E2=80=A2 Is this disclaimer sufficient and sufficiently descriptive for th= e relevant purposes and desires?

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