Received: from [::1] (port=43498 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eV5b3-00079T-9N; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:05:57 -0800 Received: from mail-wr0-f180.google.com ([209.85.128.180]:43054) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eV5aW-000774-V9 for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:05:25 -0800 Received: by mail-wr0-f180.google.com with SMTP id w68so30340377wrc.10 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:05:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DiYuhbDS3n2eQ1sRjaxLrMH20l+dz/eVzjpZ+bqwJQ8=; b=qL9NdGWRiDlLimsQSCovw/y2JBqSFazYjo+WThgQ1i8Lcv2b6Lz8CnAXxchALA07Tr kBtT93ZPr8cOtT/OpcqmFHmAZCfPQdOVtH4B66k3X4jfHdxYDJ3/Qy4Dc7GTAeoygXks kGB03dmgoQ1zd0RUZKu5+gtoKBpJWtLyuPh+vRrVlh9KxeOBHIerzWZaWWY5f1drgqhI 8joyMMnQM1hByox3r+EVrsHp74F1E530K9WcfxmUPpjG9SboE8KRkLFaf9zO7pArIYAg wfTHFJsbfanhRdhvRiG7BYvMSl5D99U6nHPTHHZQhoPl6tZqVSGnZ3Jtu0eDOpFo3guK I3Sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DiYuhbDS3n2eQ1sRjaxLrMH20l+dz/eVzjpZ+bqwJQ8=; b=tmkAG571qx12Bd4lqaIHsyceGS/7AnNbyLnEi+JQoz5PZFzXxslIk7l/i7aHJT8Kvo t1C/iyaVZDWqIlhGoCH61AtsNUBIALaU7txiUiA4IQrofIW/QfghnVRaAuOsL2AgJWB4 Gwo2g+spY8gTHiCspGX+fxbQlQ4YHk52Px8sHz4lnFi7MUnJEGFpWMykZNbHjcQPK4+a Qodz/EP2KI4OdT+T0vXe5HggkxXT66gLUpG8uRwCSIqcC0QCMXBVY7Fbk5IUUwh8VryI Gqk/qIRtHpWveAtEB8lHWiaA80Dn+9J3yDQ3zj6KW66h/n/Y/ekREmb6OHk/C2hKzrG4 4jpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKbkQ/9qLQem+Kd58mA3Un7Hl0qu+nrdVHN5QjgdNYtxTFqf/KM vUE9jFZxRgb1qpmA0aVxQvOw0P5PELvoW0F9mAQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBov858FcabhYFM0+qerl6+5RST7JvuFXwy33/WrgCkb+z2KG8r+ic+kbEbK+WCTAI2GxvLDZqGcB5YLfi2rYISw= X-Received: by 10.223.195.99 with SMTP id e32mr36598643wrg.10.1514595917716; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:05:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.135.147 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.135.147 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:05:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7074953.2veMK8YGUJ@caracal> <6c826210-9f71-1813-2957-7e5593ad18ed@lojban.org> From: And Rosta Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 01:05:16 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business: BPFK X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8051854805433181504==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8051854805433181504== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045faa6ca75ff30561845728" --f403045faa6ca75ff30561845728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On 29 Dec 2017 19:45, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: 2017-12-29 18:29 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > > > On 26 Dec 2017 19:36, "Bob LeChevalier" wrote: > > The bylaws were formulated to broadly cover a variety of forms of > research into logical languages, and there has always been the possibility > of conducting or supporting such research. But to put it simply, no one has > been interested in such research EXCEPT in the form of promoting and > studying the use of Lojban. > > That statement is patently false and wilfully amnesiac. > > I was for many years the most vocal proponent of the LLG's mission to > explore logical language > And what were your actions? I have limited patience for your penchant for trollishness, so it may be necessary for me to limit my further responses to you. There still doesn't exist a logical language that has to be called "logical language" according to your terminology. That is untrue. It is not not only contingently untrue (due to the existence of various loglangs) but also patently untrue, given that standard predicate logic notation constitutes a written loglang, that writing can count as phonology, and that there are obviously no conceptual obstacles to giving the written form counterparts that are expressed phonetically. --And. --f403045faa6ca75ff30561845728 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 29 Dec 2017 19:45, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:=


2017-12-29 18:29 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com><= /span>:
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On 26 Dec 2017 19:36, "Bob LeChevalier" &= lt;lojbab@lojban.org= > wrote:
> The bylaw= s were formulated to broadly cover a variety of forms of research into logi= cal languages, and there has always been the possibility of conducting or s= upporting such research. But to put it simply, no one has been interested i= n such research EXCEPT in the form of promoting and studying the use of Loj= ban.

That statement is patently false and wilful= ly amnesiac.

I was for many years the most vocal propon= ent of the LLG's mission to explore logical language
<= /blockquote>

And what were your actions?

I have limited patience for your penchant for trollishness,= so it may be necessary for me to limit my further responses to you.<= div dir=3D"auto">

There still doesn't exist a logical language that has to be called &= quot;logical language" according to your terminology.

That is untrue. It is not not only contingently untrue (due to th= e existence of various loglangs) but also patently untrue, given that stand= ard predicate logic notation constitutes a written loglang, that writing ca= n count as phonology, and that there are obviously no conceptual obstacles = to giving the written form counterparts that are expressed phonetically.


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