Received: from localhost ([::1]:40882 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXTLA-0005pK-Vq; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 06:51:24 -0800 Received: from mail-vk0-f66.google.com ([209.85.213.66]:39054) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXTKe-0005oM-Pl for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 06:50:53 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f66.google.com with SMTP id x64so3606465vkd.6 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 06:50:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3qirOElZTU+n7lY/9csbm+OROTt1aeGSoTT6ZtdPUNw=; b=lzjMz3C60gitd7PHLALAwOkEfjM6PUK483tzldnHUmGRwOMNp/PKklV9tckj9ZrH7J kXq4oxewekOm4kP+GDyK9cJRvNREZva7ayY3MVkibfMyS5Bo932vKA+RHMN2MLZQFsg3 VxPvYVMscVkPm8byKN9Hr6eMGTTwBL653g2+d3VktXhAlFoNOBqN8D/qufddMAeCffdk VgzjFQT+vz2yybBQI6U9DSIrqs7h6xMNOOmFvOTmWG6OpoNasKCv02RQRlQ3JzjQIf/k kwaoWYJSeN4tIzCB5VpSJqNIHsIFzjlj1OLRAiGdkSB9BxFgpPENgEEfAhdLxtzANnJO ZFQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3qirOElZTU+n7lY/9csbm+OROTt1aeGSoTT6ZtdPUNw=; b=bvomh54MKYUFunzA2iNn4ckjHjTcJKpmSZjWfvgqIuF2ib9DTfE+7qJNecNOxZmkBk lKEB3rjkac3H3a0fcXdY45isXHSpPrIhJb43ig3DDs80vCs8bhlr0z6KonjaRovm3O4z Dlze0mnTOVV1CWlf8IVDKaUwVH4ehNRJkooqFGzAqnfKaAPFHpZu2in1TLnj0De643QH dBNb4c0UiduFmoFcdaZ0hxK/KC2/udojF9tSAX5V3w/pM2cE6hmOG9KsDTDNLmZMI6Lt +1hS5cJAgFwIA+lO0iwSATxaFfVXAU8MuHy2n1grVWAvgswAfjYaMT9EBzoCOGf0EJ4L qyPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdbHJduma44R6a6KE1G5aFY7SbUxMLdopEFZBYJd1oKJNHLIyyZ 9j4g07qT3TJiGoy7fx6ja2ZiyhGS3XnYhg/qDE0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouCDBgYGIjmERC2RNcQHPv9HOflzARM+9NTaN03kf7WPPK9+WAoZKc9kFFOAPwhtR/wQqtOa1YCE96zB/7KIyI= X-Received: by 10.31.155.82 with SMTP id d79mr2999408vke.119.1515163845745; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 06:50:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 06:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Creative Care Services Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:50:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: "llg-members@lojban.org" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: [Llg-members] Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4639997328530751956==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4639997328530751956== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11425afacd62c7056208926a" --001a11425afacd62c7056208926a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that he had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering here is listed below as number six. This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. .karis. > *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* > > *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some > body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor soci= al > media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, > bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever rela= te > to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and whi= ch > are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and that > such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclaim= er > stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG.*"* > * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which becam= e > a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, just make > them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be good and > gives us some moral 'standing')"* > * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* > > *___* > > *Unofficialness Disclaimer* > > *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must > contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and > managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not > necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not > reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the > same.*"* > ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* > > **** Here it is! **** *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80= =8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and > organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80= =8B which will=E2=80=8B > oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2= =80=8B the official > implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and > pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id est: > Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2= =80=8B or > any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either = potential > violations of the same or appropriate content which should be so disclaim= ed > (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertainin= g > to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned > policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the > authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shal= l > notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to > such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80= =8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if > the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* both do not > pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to= and subsumed by > that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it sha= ll > not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not > subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for > and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80= =8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, > implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such noti= ce, protocol, or > disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body s= hall consist of an > odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body shall publish al= l > of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the > pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, according to its own > discretion or explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards > and policies once such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the bo= dy is > constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and c= ontrol > over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of its > ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as an= y matter > belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shal= l govern > and organize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, its > external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with = the > decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2= =80=8B. The body > shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 Januar= y or first 1 June > after its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall exist fo= r > =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six = =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then > =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B a= nd discontinued in its entirety, > unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed i= n part or > whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs = expiration=E2=80=8B > (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, > and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsi= bility of=E2=80=8B > the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80= =8Bpolicy, > standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of= and in > the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly = decides > otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and consti= tution of another body or > organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purvi= ew > which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which > case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, deci= sions, and > other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it u= nless otherwise > specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body= =E2=80=8Bherein > constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG= decides =E2=80=8Bto be > appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereaf= ter, all > other selection and regulation of its membership shall be under the prima= ry > authority and review of the body itself, although any regular selection o= f > new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendric= al > years and six calendrical months after the original establishment of the > body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership appli= cations > and notice for such application shall be public; eligibility requirements > for membership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the L= LG > and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, > prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The na= me of the > body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to= , > and as part of, the selection of its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* > > --001a11425afacd62c7056208926a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to the two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unofficial content, = included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that he = had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering he= re is listed below as number six.

This motion is now wai= ting to see if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0

= .karis.=C2=A0


Concern= ing Unofficial Social Media Presences

Moti= on 4: "The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some= body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor socia= l media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, = bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoe= ver relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical language= s and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial -= and that such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a = disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG.= "
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with the origin= al discussion which became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enfo= rce such requests, just make them. But having an official policy about addr= essing them may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')"
=C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

=
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Unofficia= lness Disclaimer

Motion 5: "All non-off= icial pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the= website is owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the marked cont= ents are not necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and = may not reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications o= f the same."
* Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant= and gleki.



=C2=A0**** Here it= is! ****


=
Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Baut= horized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized= a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which w= ill=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible)= enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of LLG policy= consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforementioned mot= ion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any simil= ar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either potential v= iolations of the same or appropriate content which should be so disclaimed = (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertaining = to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned polic= ies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the authority= to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shall notify th= e LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B;= =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2= =80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2= =80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subsumed by= that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it shal= l not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not subj= ect to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for and re= view such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80= =8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80= =8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the= LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of members,= numbering at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate= , =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80= =8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and entities = and other subjects, according to its own discretion or explicit and direct = command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concrete= ly established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B s= hall retain total right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily = responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or = actions or methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain = of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organize itse= lf and design and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, e= tc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LL= G=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall = be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 January or fir= st 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall = exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears = and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80= =8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinued in its = entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is d= elayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; up= on it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of= its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions= , and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsi= bility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid = =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B= until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of another body or organi= zation under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which= nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which case, al= l aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and= other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it un= less otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembershi= p of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselect= ed in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shal= l be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other selection = and regulation of its membership shall be under the primary authority and r= eview of the body itself, although any regular selection of new membership = shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years and six = calendrical months after the original establishment of the body=E2=80=8B an= d selection of its first membership; all membership applications and notice= for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requirements for me= mbership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the LLG and m= ust be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, prior t= o the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the= body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to,= and as part of, the selection of its first membership.=E2= =80=8B"
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