Received: from [::1] (port=42850 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXVuV-00034b-Ow; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 09:36:03 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f67.google.com ([74.125.82.67]:36567) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXVtz-00033J-5q for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 09:35:32 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f67.google.com with SMTP id b76so3822457wmg.1 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 09:35:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rE4cPCcdf2Ot0xuJn1zbrikbqgr1aTX2b5YYok+0T0A=; b=Qnw3W/NnT/3P4qAbf33TkUo3op+Z/zHOgVKL5TxGYd3hX7SwFk4hJjeYCPHkAnWFAM I25qRfveXEogGC1NvDJqA4ZubAZ2CcmYhN/goqQVQPEM9BAQNiW/B7BNq0WjkHagUwgh 5CC84rGnvFikrrvHQx8vr4fK+DjyhWuJk/YsWuckzDIhyJo59BzDLO0+Q2MrYC/orT8t kvq/awBPN28zPgehmS6TSyDZMfSwRhQvO8AlGzJDdz5v3xJeZ7d+v+6AUzbq5l5VMGu4 tDlDk/RHSG5cKfWT0bbBlwiNbD60zN2UgxlUbBy+iDdbJW4Bl9etH9h98b5P0LdmHWp+ t/Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rE4cPCcdf2Ot0xuJn1zbrikbqgr1aTX2b5YYok+0T0A=; b=mHTA7DyHV6GeumB4IrawzRFpQH2hvUqUkHS6zK9nMyjYeF5juZ8cIALeHmdWtcAz2B eiz8sBZcmZ9xa/mhbUWnylKG1ddk6+eEV+R/uRYODgiosbFiZSbTp+F0H4Lg1+LHNOLm 5P8X1XYXpGYis6BmoNH1SMTvJeNOi1Sq/3jAopfNmJNdvuxeM1cbcJR9C/o1zA6ijTxz 8Etl/AGkslQLn8jgdYAkMlyR/T6wQ41HEQvwFuzF7iiZHUo23UpnBbxSrOUDxLKJ0DYW p486UisswsSjOnFb6ktMQBspMqiPH2sTa50zU6SoLbUYWS3oZSX4aW5mHHZDsdFb0sD5 y7Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKtv7rKUrA8xJHoZ0qbyNNdi9FVWK7y+dyPpf+MwAytAwn2k3/K mzF1zwaa5SBMNZhGUVS/C9gnkFVt1MIEXcpQvg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBov4pFv25XMKqv/YwufFGKadU30+JzPI1jgSIn/o2K4OzVq7zifgP+/N00H/U/nM5mbBPkCKR8qWNnwRFP3dysc= X-Received: by 10.80.138.139 with SMTP id j11mr5394551edj.36.1515173723939; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 09:35:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.219 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:34:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 20:34:43 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5609802729906833171==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5609802729906833171== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0dcb8296b31e05620adf48" --94eb2c0dcb8296b31e05620adf48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-01-05 17:50 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : > In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, > included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that h= e > had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering > here is listed below as number six. > > This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. > > .karis. > > >> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >> >> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some >> body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor soc= ial >> media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, >> bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever rel= ate >> to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and wh= ich >> are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and that >> such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclai= mer >> stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG.*"* >> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, jus= t >> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be go= od >> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >> >> *___* >> >> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >> >> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the >> same.*"* >> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >> >> > > > **** Here it is! **** > I hereby second motion 6. > > > *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and >> organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2= =80=8B which will=E2=80=8B >> oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce= =E2=80=8B the official >> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id est: >> Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2= =80=8B >> or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for eit= her >> potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should be = so >> disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and n= ot >> pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the >> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does >> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendation= s >> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vac= uous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* bo= th >> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inf= erior to and >> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the L= LG >> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content whi= ch >> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may sea= rch >> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2= =80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any = such notice, >> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the LL= G, >> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2= =80=8B. >> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total righ= t of >> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or= works, as >> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its pu= rview; the >> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such do= es not >> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents = of this >> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whic= h >> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendric= al =E2=80=8Byears and six >> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe= dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B a= nd such >> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official act= ion of the >> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B a= nd become >> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rema= in active >> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and o= ther output=E2=80=8B (as >> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the = LLG=E2=80=8B >> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the esta= blishment and constitution >> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has= or >> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, = standards, >> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited b= y and devolved to >> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bm= embership of the >> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in = a manner which the LLG >> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall b= e >> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse = of >> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origina= l >> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership= ; all >> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public; >> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constituted= shall be >> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection = of >> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c0dcb8296b31e05620adf48 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2018-01-05 17:50 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <= ;comcaresvcs@gma= il.com>:
In addition to the= two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unofficial content, included below bec= ause this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that he had made three rat= her than two on this topic. The one we are considering here is listed below= as number six.

This motion is now waiting to see if any= one chooses to second it.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

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Concerning Unofficial = Social Media Presences

Motion 4: "The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the= LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and m= onitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, c= ommunities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any= way whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logi= cal languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or = unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to prominentl= y display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by= the LLG."
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with the original discussio= n which became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such req= uests, just make them. But having an official policy about addressing them = may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')"
=C2=A0* Moved by me, secon= ded by gleki.
___=

Unofficialness Disclaimer

Motion 5: "All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must con= tain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and managed = by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not necessarily harmo= nized with the official design of Lojban and may not reflect, let alone per= fectly comply with, official specifications of the same."
* Moved by me, seconde= d by at least guskant and gleki.



=C2=A0**** Here it is= ! ****



I hereby = second motion 6.


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Motion 6: "= There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80= =8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the= authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regu= late=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official impl= ementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0= to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at= least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and = which shall search for either potential violations of the same or appropria= te content which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented pol= icy or other mandate, and not pertaining to only websites or entities or co= ntent subject to the aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds suc= h content but does not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with re= spect to said content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its rec= ommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be ina= ctive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned= motion proposals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority= shall be inferior to and subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded = by such policy of the LLG and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate an= y entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG poli= cy, although it may search for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will re= gulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usa= ge=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disc= laimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall c= onsist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body shall= publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the= pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, according to its own d= iscretion or explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards an= d policies once such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body i= s constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and c= ontrol over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of it= s ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as an= y matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the bo= dy shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own internal= rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conf= lict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this= motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B the first 1 January or first 1 June after its first membership is ch= osen, after which point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2= =80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmont= hs and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,= =E2=80=8B and discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended= =E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80= =8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (desc= ribed previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B= policy, standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80= =8B and become the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall pers= ist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, wor= k, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the resp= onsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides ot= herwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constituti= on of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has= or shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein = described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, sta= ndards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inheri= ted by and devolved to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2= =80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2= =80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80= =8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; = thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall be u= nder the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any regu= lar selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of full= y two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the original estab= lishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all me= mbership applications and notice for such application shall be public; elig= ibility=C2=A0requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to re= view and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with explici= t permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new membership of th= e body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constituted shall be determine= d by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first= membership.=E2=80=8B"
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