Received: from localhost ([::1]:44362 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXXlp-000770-6T; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:35:13 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f181.google.com ([209.85.217.181]:44300) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXXlI-000760-4p for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:34:41 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f181.google.com with SMTP id k4so3159783ual.11 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:34:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8OGPkIcE4kH7+r2ekcx69WYpsgQASTUkH1UloGQzLVo=; b=sVaEH2/eAEXVw691K368wpUVOl2amlH8HIcsVAfnUykeA5rTlNwIgcLgf6HJ4xvyyN gTT/QGPoulNnAZXkzdU7sLvDtaP6v8NHmOwRbjcTWrJUNXdctU4EYNsxFRABAiy/pHGm Iz2k95MxBYM0O3uvpX4/p10/k4qc2Z6x0sa8NkYqjPtQYf1vRA0fqp0hBNMMvxN4+sq2 NPnSPcxCBhWW2cgVbY7qt6ru2Vu4v9PIx5e93X8V6E0IYy5I/GrELPbq6jz2eX7DFHlH +qB/1xYx49FbtXdfFSPNAYIjIIW3G8gD7nA341iIkUFWjz/1EQi7btmPXPAe8lX6gRI8 tT8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8OGPkIcE4kH7+r2ekcx69WYpsgQASTUkH1UloGQzLVo=; b=Zs4fC2TpVRxKg1/vIgvlS5r/sNNlmGNRoH0BHc+wEzPsaJl2m6Q1/1I+U0tFw/AX/y 8dBFCeijGZzehuf+PBdns6O0jvt4pgZ/ptYKNu8xKIP5BfXfupnDvdL/K+9oCCfIsuTV gql+d6DTOGj+8N6IaK0vvjp4lz6S08XmT6de/ZqrQ61uBQTA5tSuP3cUWELkzi7/nn8M SN/rZJOJ1vUAVa1dNMUbATI8r2FDtBqXMBXuiLGFFgoNSNiQHE7gGZqsOwFJZRp/tbzY +WEpfRP97omTQe/PQnekEqgp5Y/F3KIWGI7LwSC4ZwjXxhkDVtJKUclv2z75OFAdoEmS 116Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytf3kLsJvVBuL9CM4inprr3oMEUw0K34V7CArYWX1gU08aylyu0G iO66RLIpmDgvqU4UpodDUMZwNuL/Wyb4Bq4L6ei7Zg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovNS4SVM/Pb35DGZaMuDh+IgaogBsk7B/FOUZCaEs9HMdaa9I3pg1XO2z/fJsWoGaVCAJo5WJPpDFGKPo1IPag= X-Received: by 10.176.17.25 with SMTP id e25mr3953665uab.47.1515180873226; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:34:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.79.34 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:34:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <61CCB92E-11C6-4F17-9A63-AF3519E8416D@gmail.com> References: <61CCB92E-11C6-4F17-9A63-AF3519E8416D@gmail.com> From: Alex Burka Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1432616043751906042==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1432616043751906042== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e387eb81f2a05620c8932" --f403045e387eb81f2a05620c8932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with everything in Riley's message. It's worded better than my message expressing the same objections in one of the other threads about this motion. By the way, can we please keep motions to a reasonable length and cyclomatic complexity, or at least provide executive summaries. Irrelevant details like "The name of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership." make things hard to read. On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch wrote: > I would support a motion like #5 which requires a disclaimer on lojban.or= g > content that might be easily confused as an official publication of LLG. > However, I think we should consider this alongside the option of reservin= g > lojban.org for official publications of LLG. > > I strongly oppose a commission to "search for and monitor=E2=80=9D (motio= n 4) > others=E2=80=99 publications for lojban-related content with the purpose = of asking > them to add a disclaimer to their content. Even if we had the resources t= o > squander =E2=80=94 and we don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94 it would reflect badly = on lojban and the LLG. > > Imagine: Someone discovers lojban, composes a poem, and puts it up on > their blog. The next thing they know, they receive a legalistically-worde= d > email asking them to =E2=80=9Cprominently=E2=80=9D declare that, in effec= t, they=E2=80=99re not > really authorized to use the language. This is not who we are. > > I am categorically opposed to motion 6, which would create some kind of > body to "oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) e= nforce=E2=80=9D these > policies. It is not and cannot be the business of LLG to scour the world > for =E2=80=9Cviolations=E2=80=9D of our policies, let alone =E2=80=9Cenfo= rce=E2=80=9D such policies. For > that matter, =E2=80=9Coversee=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cregulate=E2=80=9D don= =E2=80=99t harmonize with our mission, > either: Our business is to =E2=80=9Cpromote=E2=80=9D and to =E2=80=9Csupp= ort=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 especially where it > comes to those =E2=80=9Cusing=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cexperimenting=E2=80= =9D with lojban. > > Lojban, as I understand it, was born out of the desire to rescue logical > language from institutional strangulation. Let us not reverse course. > > On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Curtis Franks > wrote: > > The basic goal of this motion is to outsource all particular debate and > decisions concerning the realization of Motion 4 or Motion 5 to an > independent 'contracting' body with a fair amount of autonomy so that we = do > not have to consider them here (or prior to the passage of those motions)= . > However, I still want the contracting body to be finite in power (hence i= ts > restrictions and preset expiration), accountable to us, well-organized so > that objections or concerns raised by members while discussing Motion 6 a= re > pre=C3=ABmptively assuaged, and acting on our behalf with the additional > property that all of their work becomes LLG policy, property, etc. once t= he > contract ends (thus it would be under LLG control and carry the weight of > full policy, work, command, etc. of the LLG pursuant to Motion 4 or Motio= n > 5 or other motions). > > On Jan 5, 2018 09:51, "Creative Care Services" > wrote: > >> In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, >> included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that = he >> had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering >> here is listed below as number six. >> >> This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. >> >> .karis. >> >> >>> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >>> >>> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or >>> some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monit= or >>> social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, >>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way >>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logic= al >>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or >>> unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to >>> prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and n= ot >>> endorsed by the LLG.*"* >>> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >>> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, ju= st >>> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be g= ood >>> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >>> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >>> >>> *___* >>> >>> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >>> >>> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >>> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >>> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >>> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >>> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of th= e >>> same.*"* >>> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >>> >>> >> >> >> **** Here it is! **** >> >> >> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -= =E2=80=8B which >>> will=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of L= LG policy consistent >>> with and pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals= *(id >>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which s= hall search for >>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which sh= ould >>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate= , >>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to t= he >>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but doe= s >>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendatio= ns >>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, va= cuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* b= oth >>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be in= ferior to and >>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the = LLG >>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content wh= ich >>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may se= arch >>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any= such notice, >>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the L= LG, >>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total rig= ht of >>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods o= r works, as >>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its p= urview; the >>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such d= oes not >>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents= of this >>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whi= ch >>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendri= cal =E2=80=8Byears and six >>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bb= e dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B = and such >>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official ac= tion of the >>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B = and become >>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active >>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and = other output=E2=80=8B (as >>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the= LLG=E2=80=8B >>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the est= ablishment and constitution >>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which ha= s or >>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy,= standards, >>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited = by and devolved to >>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the >>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in= a manner which the LLG >>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall = be >>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse= of >>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origin= al >>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membershi= p; all >>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public= ; >>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitute= d shall be >>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection= of >>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403045e387eb81f2a05620c8932 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with everything in Riley's message. It's w= orded better than my message expressing the same objections in one of the o= ther threads about this motion.

By the way, can we pleas= e keep motions to a reasonable length and cyclomatic complexity, or at leas= t provide executive summaries. Irrelevant details like "The name of = the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior = to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership." mak= e things hard to read.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch <s= hunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I would support a motion like #5 w= hich requires a disclaimer on lojban.org content that might be easily confused as an official publ= ication of LLG. However, I think we should consider this alongside the opti= on of reserving lojban.org<= /a>=C2=A0for official publications of LLG.



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I am categorically opposed to motion 6, which would create some k= ind of body to "oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as p= ossible) enforce=E2=80=9D these policies.=C2=A0It is not and cannot be the = business of LLG to scour the world for =E2=80=9Cviolations=E2=80=9D of our = policies, let alone =E2=80=9Cenforce=E2=80=9D such policies. For that matte= r, =E2=80=9Coversee=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cregulate=E2=80=9D don=E2=80=99t h= armonize with our mission, either: Our business is to =E2=80=9Cpromote=E2= =80=9D and to =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 especially where it comes= to those =E2=80=9Cusing=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cexperimenting=E2=80=9D with = lojban.=C2=A0

Lojban, as I understand it, was born= out of the desire to rescue logical language from institutional strangulat= ion. Let us not reverse course.


The = basic goal of this motion is to outsource all particular debate and decisio= ns concerning the realization of Motion 4 or Motion 5 to an independent = 9;contracting' body with a fair amount of autonomy so that we do not ha= ve to consider them here (or prior to the passage of those motions). Howeve= r, I still want the contracting body to be finite in power (hence its restr= ictions and preset expiration), accountable to us, well-organized so that o= bjections or concerns raised by members while discussing Motion 6 are pre= =C3=ABmptively assuaged, and acting on our behalf with the additional prope= rty that all of their work becomes LLG policy, property, etc. once the cont= ract ends (thus it would be under LLG control and carry the weight of full = policy, work, command, etc. of the LLG pursuant to Motion 4 or Motion 5 or = other motions).

On Jan 5, 2018 09:51, "Creative Care Servi= ces" <co= mcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition to the two other proposa= ls regarding=C2=A0 unofficial content, included below because this one refe= rs to them, Curtis pointed out that he had made three rather than two on th= is topic. The one we are considering here is listed below as number six.
This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to sec= ond it.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

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Concerning Unoffici= al Social Media Presences

Motion 4: "= ;The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some body const= ituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor social media or = blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, bots, etc. = (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever relate = to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and which= are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and that s= uch a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclaimer = stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG."<= /font>
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with the original discussi= on which became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such re= quests, just make them. But having an official policy about addressing them= may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')"
= =C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

___<= /div>
=
Unofficialness Disc= laimer

Motion 5: "All non-official page= s or content on *.lojban.o= rg=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website i= s owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are n= ot necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not re= flect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the same= ."
* Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki= .



=C2=A0**** Here it is! ****<= /div>


Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthoriz= ed, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a bo= dy=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of LLG polic= y consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforementioned mo= tion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any simi= lar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either potential = violations of the same or appropriate content which should be so disclaimed= (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertaining= to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned poli= cies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the authorit= y to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shall notify t= he LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B= ; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2= =80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2= =80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subsumed by= that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it shal= l not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not subj= ect to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for and re= view such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80= =8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80= =8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the= LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of members,= numbering at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate= , =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80= =8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and entities = and other subjects, according to its own discretion or explicit and direct = command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concrete= ly established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B s= hall retain total right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily = responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or = actions or methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain = of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organize itse= lf and design and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, e= tc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LL= G=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall = be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 January or fir= st 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall = exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears = and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80= =8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinued in its = entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is d= elayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; up= on it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of= its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions= , and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsi= bility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid = =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B= until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of another body or organi= zation under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which= nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which case, al= l aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and= other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it un= less otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembershi= p of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselect= ed in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shal= l be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other selection = and regulation of its membership shall be under the primary authority and r= eview of the body itself, although any regular selection of new membership = shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years and six = calendrical months after the original establishment of the body=E2=80=8B an= d selection of its first membership; all membership applications and notice= for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requirements for me= mbership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the LLG and m= ust be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, prior t= o the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the= body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to,= and as part of, the selection of its first membership.=E2= =80=8B"
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