Received: from localhost ([::1]:44760 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXY9V-00083h-8j; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:59:41 -0800 Received: from mail-yb0-f174.google.com ([209.85.213.174]:37286) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXY8y-00082Z-8f for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:59:09 -0800 Received: by mail-yb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 5so2283394ybp.4 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:59:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IcX+H67p4zVxwoSCFP0DG2AEOoCVk2SfJtG8FYkiQz8=; b=Hp/Zhu8vdW66u+W2BP8cSojCKPMDpVu6PjakKZRgWyuHyIOEBkTtDD/KK/8qWKobxU o+uDCRbQV0pNt8ymZJjEb6HgfMK86GQIh3mvute00/8Mjge/7OS0MPJSH/46eHj1WUfL QgDIix+kTxMe+MCDkjIe3LxhImdgksOGoxFq33qQfZ7eghDH5fiMVQPluHvhZ+tJsJub XXv53WX98YnZFfncZXM4j5VcqYRP5evP5/v/B3zFnDYml+zxTmmvDR/Pkn5GPrPF+rHN +YBfOo0XM56VXNuUlolm6v+++FChLG30WDijcuVaxD11PSQJrVm1O4J/rrbhj1ysbVX8 j0KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IcX+H67p4zVxwoSCFP0DG2AEOoCVk2SfJtG8FYkiQz8=; b=ULYyZn92cNBs05wem0xG3HHSmpr1tPbHpj6/8Y2ZFmxoQGtdnamI4MiDkp45PKcshA izYnshphc9+QfgOdCtb3CLZthQrt0JcckbMJ82KAwVxhaTMD2F5apuTv0EytU+0ZVEMk 9Rd9sHDh+vn7sCZa4aVgsD0EuWZ3Xz2yv5xQ+xa0FKxqExX+qqOh9ZQQiRsWoAJZQgLL HD3L9OEIjNN08bNtF+ANb2yNhaUzhCuDe5SXUbfI7/xBJgtwq/KrAfuQM6PapTy8HjP0 UUzNrwRM1YsSmvuxddbka8n+bTqSFlAGL3GGwhO797ucb0Pp5QfMjcMXLala7xf0ThSz pWAw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJIaq9+YT5CDM63BL10R2KdKxZ5huTl2rOOawF2XIS6xC23NuQy 3tRnuq5SWlIdDmOtBceh3E31RVtRu3fKUhbwxc4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosILYaZjnR+Z7gz3jqLL98HrlCrEEn9B3iRc9FpTJBArQKWnm6Dy3X4xTvPKpKQ2gWQkDSPshSdrKSD3+shrfU= X-Received: by 10.37.177.10 with SMTP id g10mr2026264ybj.434.1515182342040; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 11:59:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.135.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.135.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:59:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <61CCB92E-11C6-4F17-9A63-AF3519E8416D@gmail.com> From: Curtis Franks Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6900391685225201445==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6900391685225201445== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f348a44735205620ce1fb" --f403045f348a44735205620ce1fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jan 5, 2018 14:35, "Alex Burka" wrote: I agree with everything in Riley's message. It's worded better than my message expressing the same objections in one of the other threads about this motion. By the way, can we please keep motions to a reasonable length and cyclomatic complexity, or at least provide executive summaries. Irrelevant details like "The name of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership." make things hard to read. I think that that bit is important because we are just calling it "the body", which will be confusing in general later. Practically speaking, it has to have a name at some point - and this provision makes it so de juris. But I note the concerns. On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch wrote: > I would support a motion like #5 which requires a disclaimer on lojban.or= g > content that might be easily confused as an official publication of LLG. > However, I think we should consider this alongside the option of reservin= g > lojban.org for official publications of LLG. > > I strongly oppose a commission to "search for and monitor=E2=80=9D (motio= n 4) > others=E2=80=99 publications for lojban-related content with the purpose = of asking > them to add a disclaimer to their content. Even if we had the resources t= o > squander =E2=80=94 and we don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94 it would reflect badly = on lojban and the LLG. > > Imagine: Someone discovers lojban, composes a poem, and puts it up on > their blog. The next thing they know, they receive a legalistically-worde= d > email asking them to =E2=80=9Cprominently=E2=80=9D declare that, in effec= t, they=E2=80=99re not > really authorized to use the language. This is not who we are. > > I am categorically opposed to motion 6, which would create some kind of > body to "oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) e= nforce=E2=80=9D these > policies. It is not and cannot be the business of LLG to scour the world > for =E2=80=9Cviolations=E2=80=9D of our policies, let alone =E2=80=9Cenfo= rce=E2=80=9D such policies. For > that matter, =E2=80=9Coversee=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cregulate=E2=80=9D don= =E2=80=99t harmonize with our mission, > either: Our business is to =E2=80=9Cpromote=E2=80=9D and to =E2=80=9Csupp= ort=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 especially where it > comes to those =E2=80=9Cusing=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cexperimenting=E2=80= =9D with lojban. > > Lojban, as I understand it, was born out of the desire to rescue logical > language from institutional strangulation. Let us not reverse course. > > On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Curtis Franks > wrote: > > The basic goal of this motion is to outsource all particular debate and > decisions concerning the realization of Motion 4 or Motion 5 to an > independent 'contracting' body with a fair amount of autonomy so that we = do > not have to consider them here (or prior to the passage of those motions)= . > However, I still want the contracting body to be finite in power (hence i= ts > restrictions and preset expiration), accountable to us, well-organized so > that objections or concerns raised by members while discussing Motion 6 a= re > pre=C3=ABmptively assuaged, and acting on our behalf with the additional > property that all of their work becomes LLG policy, property, etc. once t= he > contract ends (thus it would be under LLG control and carry the weight of > full policy, work, command, etc. of the LLG pursuant to Motion 4 or Motio= n > 5 or other motions). > > On Jan 5, 2018 09:51, "Creative Care Services" > wrote: > >> In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, >> included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that = he >> had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering >> here is listed below as number six. >> >> This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. >> >> .karis. >> >> >>> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >>> >>> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or >>> some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monit= or >>> social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, >>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way >>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logic= al >>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or >>> unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to >>> prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and n= ot >>> endorsed by the LLG.*"* >>> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >>> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, ju= st >>> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be g= ood >>> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >>> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >>> >>> *___* >>> >>> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >>> >>> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >>> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >>> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >>> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >>> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of th= e >>> same.*"* >>> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >>> >>> >> >> >> **** Here it is! **** >> >> >> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -= =E2=80=8B which >>> will=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of L= LG policy consistent >>> with and pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals= *(id >>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which s= hall search for >>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which sh= ould >>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate= , >>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to t= he >>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but doe= s >>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendatio= ns >>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, va= cuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* b= oth >>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be in= ferior to and >>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the = LLG >>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content wh= ich >>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may se= arch >>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any= such notice, >>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the L= LG, >>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total rig= ht of >>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods o= r works, as >>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its p= urview; the >>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such d= oes not >>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents= of this >>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whi= ch >>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendri= cal =E2=80=8Byears and six >>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bb= e dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B = and such >>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official ac= tion of the >>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B = and become >>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active >>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and = other output=E2=80=8B (as >>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the= LLG=E2=80=8B >>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the est= ablishment and constitution >>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which ha= s or >>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy,= standards, >>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited = by and devolved to >>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the >>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in= a manner which the LLG >>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall = be >>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse= of >>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origin= al >>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membershi= p; all >>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public= ; >>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitute= d shall be >>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection= of >>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --f403045f348a44735205620ce1fb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Jan 5, 2018 14:35, "Alex Burka" <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with everything in Ril= ey's message. It's worded better than my message expressing the sam= e objections in one of the other threads about this motion.



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By the way, can we please keep motions to a reasonable length= and cyclomatic complexity, or at least provide executive summaries. Irrele= vant details like "The name of the body herein constituted shall be = determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of = its first membership." make things hard to read.

I= think that that bit is important because we are just calling it "the = body", which will be confusing in general later. Practically speaking,= it has to have a name at some point - and this provision makes it so de ju= ris.

But I note the conc= erns.


On F= ri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
I would support a motion like #5 which requires a discl= aimer on lojban.org con= tent that might be easily confused as an official publication of LLG. Howev= er, I think we should consider this alongside the option of reserving lojban.org=C2=A0for official= publications of LLG.

I strongly oppose a commissi= on to "search for and monitor=E2=80=9D (motion 4) others=E2=80=99 publ= ications for lojban-related content with the purpose of asking them to add = a disclaimer to their content. Even if we had the resources to squander =E2= =80=94 and we don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94 it would reflect badly on lojban and = the LLG.

Imagine: Someone discovers lojban, compos= es a poem, and puts it up on their blog. The next thing they know, they rec= eive a legalistically-worded email asking them to =E2=80=9Cprominently=E2= =80=9D declare that, in effect, they=E2=80=99re not really authorized to us= e the language. This is not who we are.

I am categ= orically opposed to motion 6, which would create some kind of body to "= ;oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2= =80=9D these policies.=C2=A0It is not and cannot be the business of LLG to = scour the world for =E2=80=9Cviolations=E2=80=9D of our policies, let alone= =E2=80=9Cenforce=E2=80=9D such policies. For that matter, =E2=80=9Coversee= =E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cregulate=E2=80=9D don=E2=80=99t harmonize with our m= ission, either: Our business is to =E2=80=9Cpromote=E2=80=9D and to =E2=80= =9Csupport=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 especially where it comes to those =E2=80=9Cu= sing=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cexperimenting=E2=80=9D with lojban.=C2=A0
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Lojban, as I understand it, was born out of the desire t= o rescue logical language from institutional strangulation. Let us not reve= rse course.

O= n Jan 5, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
The basic goal of this moti= on is to outsource all particular debate and decisions concerning the reali= zation of Motion 4 or Motion 5 to an independent 'contracting' body= with a fair amount of autonomy so that we do not have to consider them her= e (or prior to the passage of those motions). However, I still want the con= tracting body to be finite in power (hence its restrictions and preset expi= ration), accountable to us, well-organized so that objections or concerns r= aised by members while discussing Motion 6 are pre=C3=ABmptively assuaged, = and acting on our behalf with the additional property that all of their wor= k becomes LLG policy, property, etc. once the contract ends (thus it would = be under LLG control and carry the weight of full policy, work, command, et= c. of the LLG pursuant to Motion 4 or Motion 5 or other motions).

On Jan 5= , 2018 09:51, "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
In addit= ion to the two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unofficial content, included= below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that he had made= three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering here is li= sted below as number six.

This motion is now waiting to = see if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0

.karis.= =C2=A0


Con= cerning Unofficial Social Media Presences

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= Motion 4: "The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or = some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor s= ocial media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communiti= es, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way wha= tsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical lang= uages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unoffici= al - and that such a body shall request such entities to prominently displa= y a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG= ."
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with the or= iginal discussion which became a motion: "(I do not think that we can = enforce such requests, just make them. But having an official policy about = addressing them may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')&quo= t;
=C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

_= __

Unof= ficialness Disclaimer

Motion 5: "All no= n-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, tha= t the website is owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the marked= contents are not necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban= and may not reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specificati= ons of the same."
* Moved by me, seconded by at least gu= skant and gleki.
=



=C2=A0**** He= re it is! ****


=
Motion 6: "There shall be =E2= =80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and = organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80= =8B which will=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the official implementation and applicatio= n of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the afo= rementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Moti= on 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80= =8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for ei= ther potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should b= e so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and= not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the afor= ementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not ha= ve the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it= shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining t= o such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80= =8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.= =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to an= d subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LL= G and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content whic= h is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may sear= ch for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2= =80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforce= ment =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the s= tead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number = of members, numbering at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2= =80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80= =8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites an= d entities and other subjects, according to its own discretion or explicit = and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such a= re concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG= =E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and control over, but not n= ecessarily responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or de= cisions or actions or methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to = its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and or= ganize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, its external s= tandards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the decision= s of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The = body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 Jan= uary or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after which poin= t it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2= =80=8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8B= shall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and disconti= nued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such exp= iration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of= the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2= =80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, w= ork, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the d= irect responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain activ= e and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and ot= her output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LL= G=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of another body = or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purv= iew which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which= case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decis= ions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved= to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80= =8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, w= hich shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other s= election and regulation of its membership shall be under the primary author= ity and review of the body itself, although any regular selection of new me= mbership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years= and six calendrical months after the original establishment of the body=E2= =80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership applications a= nd notice for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requiremen= ts for membership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the = LLG and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG= , prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The na= me of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or = prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership.=E2=80=8B"

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