Received: from localhost ([::1]:37532 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXxFP-0000C9-Gi; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:47:27 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f182.google.com ([209.85.161.182]:36013) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eXxEr-0000AB-CX for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:46:56 -0800 Received: by mail-yw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r205so3075291ywb.3 for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:46:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ko/pGf+1lolOxgcetdUXbbtuzqHdaUSYXlChGXyhcXU=; b=u2E6UcSV48WJ6+dlpFJUjd3aPwKXsSJssEEtQvK7nHY0VaPTMIrymRYrNfi0y36nuV Ul5jHz0FV8Fmy9lmmEtTrf6+zLmN2Dl5Qtgnvnkwi829yVLQ7Np8DaiQu1AyH5HML/hw Q3zRldh//JLpiaPr89uStlDBTMMYw+g2lWkET+Xfcrvap+E6HnTkMdvC6XwDDYypZ5u1 GOXo2NdaOYHTJvk4OgxNUGjm1Ga1xsiMz8UjPkrKfgwBhdJpyql6XIOxdCgHSB6IpmXj XbRmCxmM7JkIWl8dYgJAzbbBbffL5T2hNHimgjQ7qWHHwCF0+rrfvwNvg4aREgHA64DT 6Lhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ko/pGf+1lolOxgcetdUXbbtuzqHdaUSYXlChGXyhcXU=; b=U9BuGjA3FW8Am8ICCH265zGI3VqBD9AXH89PyuVkZrGz8Vfgk3jVvFcfO9B/b8chwq 9VXHfanWwaTHzOX3Nlmch5qpln1Ag0g6kvuT3MPk8JjFPG/fTK2XUmjuNX67XYjpKBPP 1q+Ya6nfWWUhC4XR4solMMFjAW+kjgoLtBYQ0eXHxNryNclPSg+SbYuK6KurzqYq6cOJ 9jEGd4bNbsY3CnKnd7AWxNyufht5QlVVI8N8vCgDV6OMsV4V2BAuzJEQ+1hxatWbTUQA +LrbzqB+ikKZYl7kbKjs7OIchO6DfvTVRykzImwWUEUDadOzN/gFirR5llyHbyrlCqp+ NJMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJkyCu7nYHyq9F2R37QHwhOXOBkMb5VTCJDKfha+vKeGTqYiKcV ts+AWOLcjDXCAU3md2sBlefPlr8Dd+4AKoQIiuQ1Vw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouvE3WHOub04NRzadDnrOqkvP2fLTgIeyxquoB4TrDQdW5+M5quPqpps1Z7j9iQ8SMsKkoL+ixuRsS+5Pk/9OE= X-Received: by 10.13.244.3 with SMTP id d3mr6813959ywf.167.1515278806202; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:46:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.199.2 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2927869143251689297==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2927869143251689297== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c19ccc0fabe0c0562235638" --94eb2c19ccc0fabe0c0562235638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I rescind my proposal of and support for Motion 6; I 'unmove' it. I hereby proffer and move Motion 6 Amended 1ce, as described next: " ****** Motion 6 Amended 1ce ****** A motion and charter for a body: ___ *** Section 0 - Establishment and Purpose: Clause 0: =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: There shall herein be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80= =8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the auth= ority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B (according to its discretion) oversee,=E2=80= =8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and appl= ication of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant to the content of whichever of the following items have been passed by the LLG and are in effect: (1) any of aforementioned motion proposals (id est: Motion 4, Motion 5); (2) any similar policy of the LLG which has been explicitly delegated to it. =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: According to its discretion, this same body addit= ionally shall search for both (1) potential violations of the same policies (as in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause A and in accord with Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause C), and (2) any content whatsoever which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not necessarily pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned policies of the LLG) and which has been identified to be appropriate for such disclaimer. =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Regardless of any other provision of the LLG or t= his motion (excluding Section 1 Clause 7), the primary focus of this body shall be on: (1) official-seeming accounts, pages, or other entities which are not clearly personal and which are not endorsed by or under the direct control of the LLG; (2) teaching materials concerning topics related to the LLG; (3) syntax-oriented content which may be confused for being officially endorsed by the LLG, particular that which makes proposals or analysis concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (4) the curation of LLG-associated or officially endorsed websites, publications, and content within its purview. Only with rare and carefully considered exception will this body concern itself with: (1) particular works in or usages of any language or version thereof, particularly if they are creative or primarily intended to be a non-instructive or position-nonassertive texts/content concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (2) obviously personal accounts or users who do not claim official endorsement by the LLG for the content which they publish. Section 1 Clause 4, Section 1 Clause 5, and Section 1 Clause 7 shall be its primary legal, moral, operational, and intentional constraints and shall have dominance over nearly all other concerns. Clause 1: The body described in Section 0 Clause 0 shall herein be simply known as "the Body", "this Body", or (as appropriate) "it"; (note the orthographic casing of the first two options). This motion, upon its passage and entry into force, shall act as the charter for this Body and shall be active policy of the LLG. Clause 2: This entire motion shall be inactive, vacuous, ineffective, and= =E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if: (1) Motion 4 and Motion 5 both do not pass pri= or to this motion or during the same meeting of the LLG as that in which this motion was most recently proposed; (2) there is a failure to incorporate this Body according to Section 3 by 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January A.D. 2020 or within one full calendrical year of the passage of this motion by the LLG (whichever is later); or (3) a directive according to or in the pursuance of Section 1 Clause 4 is issued with the authorities therein described. ___ *** Section 1 - Operation and Constraints: Clause 0: This Body will autonomously regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2= =80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any suc= h notice, protocol, or disclaimer pursuant to Section 0=E2=80=8B Clause 0 in the stea= d of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. Clause 1: The Body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecis= ion=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG at least one per any twelve-month-long interval or immediately upon the request of the LLG or upon its expiration or termination. It shall save and preserve all documentation of such, as a work of the Body, in perpetuity and in unmodified, properly maintained and connected and organized, and complete form. The body shall proffer any documentation to an appropriate law enforcement or legal official upon their request. Clause 2: The Body will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects (pursuant to Section 0 Clause 0), according to its own discretion or according to the explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2=80=8B= . Such notification shall be only in a manner deemed suitable by the Body and (when appropriate) the LLG directly. Clause 3: Whilst the Body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain tot= al right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the Body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or wo= rks, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purvi= ew. Clause 4: All of this Body's authority shall be inferior to, derived from, and subsumed by that of the LLG or the law and shall be bounded by any policy or command of the LLG or the law. It shall, in good faith, endeavor to totally comply with and fulfill any such policy or command of LLG or the law. It shall also be subject to the following conditions: =E2=80=A2 Condition 0: If the LLG ceases to exist, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist too. =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: If this charter becomes inoperable or is totally = deleted or abolished, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist as if naturally expired (as in Section 1 Clause 8). If Section 0 Clause 2 applies or is satisfied, then this charter is deemed to be totally inoperable. =E2=80=A2 Condition 2: At any time and for any purpose (or none), the LL= G or law may cause the utter and immediate termination of this Body or may halt or direct any of its works, debates, or other processes. While under investigation by the law or officers thereof, this body shall continue and operate such that it complies with the directives of the law or the aforementioned officer and reduces all other endeavors so as to maximize its ability to comply therewith - and all other provisions to the contrary, including those by or according to this charter, shall be ignored. =E2=80=A2 Condition 3: The LLG (within the restrictions and permissions = of the law) retains the sole right to edit or amend, add to, remove from, or delete or abolish this charter or any policy of the LLG which sustains this Body. =E2=80=A2 Condition 4: In all cases, the law or officers thereof shall b= e superior to the LLG. Clause 5: The Body shall not notify or attempt to in any way regulate or pressure any entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy - although it may search for and review such content. Clause 6: If and when this Body finds such content as that which is described in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause B but does not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, or if and when there is lack of implemented policy or mandate concerning some content, it shall - according to its discretion - notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B The Body shall ta= ke no further action regarding or relating to such content unless explicitly authorized to do by the LLG. Clause 7: Main provision: Regardless of other provisions of the LLG, the actions of this Body shall be minimalistic, restrained, friendly and non-aggressive, and welcoming of experimentation with or in - as well as welcoming of any usage or promotion of - any version of any language which is endorsed or promoted by the LLG or which otherwise belongs to the purview or mandate of this Body or of the LLG (collectively described herein as "language(s)"). It shall actively encourage further innovation, exploration, usage, promotion, and creative or technical or casual exercise of such languages in all of its external interactions. =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: This body never shall attack, defame, insult, or = pressure (1) any users/authors of or in the relevant language(s) (or their associated communities) nor (2) the particular personal usage of any version of any language or other related work; it shall never act in a manner which stifles or discourages anyone from enjoying, exploring, using, or promoting any such language; it shall take especial care regarding interactions with prospective or potentially new users, authors, and community members, as well as people or entities with whom it has little prior interaction. In such cases, it shall at most request that the author(s): (1) sufficiently define new or experimental cmavo, gismu, rafsi, zi'evla, and cmene, as well as sufficiently define and indicate nonstandard definitions thereof (regardless of their newness or other nature) or of lujvo; (2) sufficiently identify and explain nonstandard grammatical structures which appear or are used within the content, or sufficiently describe the version(s) of the language which they are employing therein. =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Any particular policy, decision, work, action, or= other output by this body shall be explicitly and particularly reviewed against the provisions of Section 0 and Section 1, particular Section 1 Clause 7, and the standards thereof prior to its finalization and implementation. Such review shall be conducted by the Body as a whole or by its leadership. =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: When there is doubt within the membership of the = Body concerning a potential decision or course of action, its primary preference shall be inaction, acceptance, and community-building. Clause 8: =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: After its first composition (as described in Sect= ion 2 Clause 2), this Body shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8B= calendrical =E2=80=8Byears plus six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths. =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Then (upon the completion of Section 1 Clause 8 S= ubclause A), it =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disauthorized, dissolved=E2=80=8B, discon= stituted,=E2=80=8B discontinued, and disincorporated in its entirety - unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80= =8B and such expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official a= ction of the LLG. This shall constitute the natural expiration of the Body. =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Upon it=E2=80=8Bs natural expiration=E2=80=8B (as= described in Section 1 Clause 8 Subclause B)=E2=80=8B, each of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8Bpolicies, standards, work(s), decisions, and other output shall return to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and all documentation by the Body (inclu= ding thereof) shall be permanently given to the sole care of LLG; such things shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas policies, standards, = work(s), decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the respons= ibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until: (1) the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwis= e or modifies or cancels them;=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or (2) upon the establishment and = constitution of another (second) body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the Body herein described (according to Section 0) - in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2= =80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to this second body or organization unless otherwise specified by the LLG. Clause 9: Main provision: All questions or proposals of whether to notify an external entity or subject (as described in Section 0 or Section 1) must be clearly and explicitly stated to the members of the Body in an organized and easy to find manner during an official meeting of the Body; no external or externally-oriented action or implementation resulting from or resolving such questions or proposals, including any notification, may be conducted or undertaken in any portion or degree, until the elapse of four full calendrical days plus a unit of time (which is to be determined by the Body according to Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) after: (1) appropriate debate is held and concluded; (2) a clear, relevant decision is appropriately developed and agreed to by the members (possibly including the special determination of the aforementioned unit of time); and (3) explicit and particular certification of the result regarding its compliance with Section 1 Clause 7 according to the internal regulations of the body. The following conditions and procedures shall further apply: =E2=80=A2 Condition 0 - Determination of Delay: The aforementioned unit = of time which is to be determined by the Body for the delay of an implementation or action based upon an externally-oriented decision shall in all cases be at least ten full calendrical days. If no special and explicit decision concerning the value of this unit is made during the accompanying more-general decision/resolution, or is made in accordance with or by internal regulations of and by the Body in advance, then its value shall be ten full calendrical days. =E2=80=A2 Condition 1 - Minimal Requirements for Decisions: Appropriate = and actionable agreement by the members will, in all cases, be constituted by the explicit concent of at least a strict majority of the attending members and in compliance with further internal regulations made by the Body in advance. =E2=80=A2 Condition 2 - Default Decision: Concerning potential external = actions or externally-oriented decisions, the default position and result of any proposed action or question shall, unless explicitly agreed to by a strict majority of the membership, be utter inaction (including a total lack of any notification or pressure, or indication thereof, of the external entity or subject) in anything related to the question of proposal in any manner whatsoever and compliance with Section 1 Clause 7. If no clear, relevant, non-default-valued decision for a given question or proposal is appropriately made and agreed to, then such a default result shall be perfectly obeyed by the Body and all members thereof. =E2=80=A2 Procedure 0 - Veto: While the following procedure is underway = and in effect, the aforementioned delay (defined in Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) shall not elapse further, instead becoming paused; upon the failure or completion of any attempt at the utilization of this procedure, such delay shall resume its elapsing from the state in which it was paused; completion or fulfillment of Step 0 or Step 1 shall not pause the elapse of said delay until both Step 0 and Step 1 are completed and fulfilled. This procedure shall follow the following steps (where Step 0 and Step 1 are mutually exchangeable): =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 0: Any non-censored member of the Body can, = for any reason whatsoever (or none), formally request that the LLG review any non-default-valued resolution or decision of any such question or proposal described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9; such request must be submitted to the LLG in explicit fashion, and in a fashion which the members of the LLG can understand, within the delaying time interval described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. If the LLG is not currently meeting or accepting such petitions, then the member can instead make explicit (to the other members of the Body) their intentions to do so once the LLG meets and is open to accepting such petitions; they must fulfill this intention in a timely manner at the next opportunity to do so, else this Procedure fails (or this Step is not satisfied) and the Body may proceed as if it was never invoked. =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 1: Whilst such notice or intention (as descr= ibed in Step 0 of this Procedure) is made by the member, they are also to explicitly and clearly notify the Body of the same and of their intended invocation of this provision (Section 1 Clause 9 Procedure 0); they are to do so within the unit of time described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 2: Once Step 0 and Step 1 (each of this Proc= edure) are fulfilled (in either order), this Procedure takes effect and all relevant actions of the Body are to halt immediately and the decision described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 which is relevant to the invocation of this Procedure shall not be acted upon or implemented or output in any matter whatsoever until the LLG makes a decision concerning it and all related discussions. If either Step 0 or Step 1 is not satisfied within the delay interval described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0, then this Procedure will not be considered to be underway or in effect, and the Body can proceed as it was and the aforementioned time delay shall continue elapsing (having never been paused); if Step 0 and Step 1 were both satisfied within the time delay interval aforementioned, then the elapse of said delay will immediately halt and be paused. This Step shall apply and be obeyed even if its applicability is not recognized by the leadership of the Body in a sufficiently timely manner. =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 3: Once such decision (as referenced in Step= 2 of this Procedure) is made by the LLG, this Procedure is completed and this Body shall immediately and fully act accordingly and in good faith with the decision of the LLG (regardless of their original decision concerning the question or proposal). If the relevant issue is never resolved by the LLG during the meeting during which they are notified of the usage of this procedure, then the default position on the question or proposal shall fully apply and this Body cannot again entertain or take up such or related question or proposal (or other implementation thereof), unless the new proposal be to cease some relevant action and comply with Section 1 Clause 7, until the LLG so decides; while this lattermost condition applies, this Procedure shall be considered to be ongoing and in effect. =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Definitions: The state of being censored, as refe= renced in this provision, refers to the provisions of Section 1 Clause 10; the default (or default state or default position) herein referenced is that which is described in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 2. Clause 10: The Body shall have the power to censor its own members in a formal manner. The Body shall, in advance, decide regulations concerning the censorship of any of their members via unanimous and explicit decision after appropriate notice to all members. Any decision to actually implement the censoring of any member must be made by unanimous decision of all members, excepting the subject of the proposed censorship, and only upon appropriate agreement by the LLG; in any case, no state of censorship shall endure for more than one-hundred forty-four full calendrical days. Constraints on participation or decision making within the Body which are to result from censorship shall only be those which accord with and result from the policy of the LLG (including this charter) and the explicit, prior internal regulations of the Body. Clause 11: The Body shall immediately, during its first meeting after incorporation according to Section 3, undertake to establish internal rules and regulations which satisfy and enable the provisions of this section (id est: Section 1). ___ *** Section 2 - Composition: Clause 0 - Membership: =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: The Body shall consist of an odd number of member= s, numbering at least five, who shall be members of the community or people acceptable to the Body and the LLG and who accept their membership to the Body. =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: The =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the Bod= y shall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG. =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Thereafter, all other (later) selections and (int= ernal) regulations of its membership shall be under the primary, autonomous, and direct authority and review of the Body itself, subject to the following conditions: =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: Any regular/normal selection of new = membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years plus six calendrical months after both the original establishment of this Body and the incorporation of this Body according to Section 3. =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: Any change to such selection or regu= lation shall become effective only upon due notice to all members and the elapse of fourteen full calendrical days after its passage, excepting the case of an emergency as determined by an at-least-two-thirds supermajority of the attending members. =E2=80=A2 Subclause D: All membership applications to the Body and notic= e for such application shall be entirely public. =E2=80=A2 Subclause E: All eligibility requirements for membership to th= e Body shall be entirely subject to review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with the explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new membership of the Body. This and other basic internal regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the Body during its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2. Clause 1 - Organization: The Body shall govern and organize itself - and design and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. - =E2=80=8Bautonomously insofar as such does not conflict with the decisions = of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. Such basic in= ternal regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the Body during its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2. Clause 2 - Event of Composition and First Meeting: This Body shall be first composed on the earliest instance of 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January or 1 June which is at least thirty-six mutually emptily-intersecting, twenty-four-hour-long intervals after its incorporation (as described in Section 3). It shall then officially meet for the first time, at a time and manner according to the wishes of all of its members. Its first business shall be to determine its basic internal rules and regulations pursuant to each provision of this charter. ___ *** Section 3 - Incorporation: Clause 0: This body shall be incorporated upon and only upon the completion and simultaneous fulfillment of each of the following conditions: =E2=80=A2 Condition 0: The first membership of this Body having been pro= perly selected, satisfying Section 2 Clause 0 with regard to people who have capacity and willingness to maintain and realize active membership in the Body. =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: A general name for this Body is determined by the= LLG in an official act thereof. =E2=80=A2 Condition 2: Upon review of the purported satisfaction of all = other conditions of Section 3 Clause 0 by the LLG, event of an explicit declaration and granting of incorporation of and to the Body by the LLG occurs. ", where: =E2=80=A2 Any reference to Motion 4 and Motion 5 shall be understood to re= fer to the same motions as those so labelled in this current email chain or any modification, successor, continuance, or replacement of the same. On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, > included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that h= e > had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering > here is listed below as number six. > > This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. > > .karis. > > >> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >> >> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some >> body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor soc= ial >> media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, >> bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever rel= ate >> to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and wh= ich >> are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and that >> such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclai= mer >> stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG.*"* >> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, jus= t >> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be go= od >> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >> >> *___* >> >> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >> >> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the >> same.*"* >> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >> >> > > > **** Here it is! **** > > > *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and >> organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2= =80=8B which will=E2=80=8B >> oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce= =E2=80=8B the official >> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id est: >> Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2= =80=8B >> or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for eit= her >> potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should be = so >> disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and n= ot >> pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the >> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does >> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendation= s >> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vac= uous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* bo= th >> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inf= erior to and >> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the L= LG >> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content whi= ch >> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may sea= rch >> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2= =80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any = such notice, >> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the LL= G, >> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2= =80=8B. >> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total righ= t of >> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or= works, as >> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its pu= rview; the >> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such do= es not >> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents = of this >> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whic= h >> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendric= al =E2=80=8Byears and six >> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe= dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B a= nd such >> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official act= ion of the >> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B a= nd become >> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rema= in active >> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and o= ther output=E2=80=8B (as >> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the = LLG=E2=80=8B >> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the esta= blishment and constitution >> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has= or >> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, = standards, >> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited b= y and devolved to >> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bm= embership of the >> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in = a manner which the LLG >> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall b= e >> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse = of >> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origina= l >> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership= ; all >> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public; >> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constituted= shall be >> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection = of >> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c19ccc0fabe0c0562235638 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= I rescind my proposal of and support = for Motion 6; I 'unmove' it. I hereby proffer and move Motion 6 Ame= nded 1ce, as described next:
=C2=A0"

****** Motion 6 = Amended 1ce ******
A motion and charter for a body:

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*** Section 0 - Establishment and Purpose:
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Clause 0:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: There shall herein be = =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B a= nd organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2= =80=8B which will=E2=80=8B (according to its discretion) oversee,=E2=80=8B = regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official = implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant t= o the content of whichever of the following items have been passed by the L= LG and are in effect: (1) any of aforementioned motion proposals (id est: M= otion 4, Motion 5); (2) any similar policy of the LLG which has been explic= itly delegated to it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: According t= o its discretion, this same body additionally shall search for both (1) pot= ential violations of the same policies (as in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause = A and in accord with Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause C), and (2) any content w= hatsoever which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented poli= cy or other mandate, and not necessarily pertaining to only websites or ent= ities or content subject to the aforementioned policies of the LLG) and whi= ch has been identified to be appropriate for such disclaimer.
<= div class=3D"gmail_default">=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Regardless of any other provision of the LLG o= r this motion (excluding Section 1 Clause 7), the primary focus of this bod= y shall be on: (1) official-seeming accounts, pages, or other entities whic= h are not clearly personal and which are not endorsed by or under the direc= t control of the LLG; (2) teaching materials concerning topics related to t= he LLG; (3) syntax-oriented content which may be confused for being officia= lly endorsed by the LLG, particular that which makes proposals or analysis = concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (4) the curation o= f LLG-associated or officially endorsed websites, publications, and content= within its purview. Only with rare and carefully considered exception will= this body concern itself with: (1) particular works in or usages of any la= nguage or version thereof, particularly if they are creative or primarily i= ntended to be a non-instructive or position-nonassertive texts/content conc= erning the structure or functionality of a language; (2) obviously personal= accounts or users who do not claim official endorsement by the LLG for the= content which they publish. Section 1 Clause 4, Section 1 Clause 5, and Se= ction 1 Clause 7 shall be its primary legal, moral, operational, and intent= ional constraints and shall have dominance over nearly all other concerns.<= /font>

Clause 1: The body described in Section 0 Clause 0 shall herei= n be simply known as "the Body", "this Body", or (as ap= propriate) "it"; (note the orthographic casing of the first two o= ptions). This motion, upon its passage and entry into force, shall act as t= he charter for this Body and shall be active policy of the LLG.


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*** Section 1 - Operation = and Constraints:

Clause 0: This Body will autonomously regulat= e the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2= =80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaime= r pursuant to Section 0=E2=80=8B Clause 0 in the stead of the LLG directly= =E2=80=8B.=C2=A0

Clause 1: The Body shall publish all of its = =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2= =80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG at least one per any twelve-month-long= interval or immediately upon the request of the LLG or upon its expiration= or termination. It shall save and preserve all documentation of such, as a= work of the Body, in perpetuity and in unmodified, properly maintained and= connected and organized, and complete form. The body shall proffer any doc= umentation to an appropriate law enforcement or legal official upon their r= equest.

Clause 2: The Body will notify the pertinent websites = and entities and other subjects (pursuant to Section 0 Clause 0), according= to its own discretion or according to the explicit and direct command by t= he LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concretely establish= ed=E2=80=8B. Such notification shall be only in a manner deemed suitable by= the Body and (when appropriate) the LLG directly.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default">Clause 3:= Whilst the Body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right = of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the = Body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or wo= rks, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or i= ts purview.

Clause 4: All of this Body's authority shall b= e inferior to, derived from, and subsumed by that of the LLG or the law and= shall be bounded by any policy or command of the LLG or the law. It shall,= in good faith, endeavor to totally comply with and fulfill any such policy= or command of LLG or the law. It shall also be subject to the following co= nditions:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: If the LLG ceases to exis= t, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist too.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: If this charter becomes inoperable or is totally del= eted or abolished, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist as if na= turally expired (as in Section 1 Clause 8). If Section 0 Clause 2 applies o= r is satisfied, then this charter is deemed to be totally inoperable.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 2: At any time and for any purpose (or non= e), the LLG or law may cause the utter and immediate termination of this Bo= dy or may halt or direct any of its works, debates, or other processes. Whi= le under investigation by the law or officers thereof, this body shall cont= inue and operate such that it complies with the directives of the law or th= e aforementioned officer and reduces all other endeavors so as to maximize = its ability to comply therewith - and all other provisions to the contrary,= including those by or according to this charter, shall be ignored.<= /div>
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 3: The LLG (within the restrictions and permi= ssions of the law) retains the sole right to edit or amend, add to, remove = from, or delete or abolish this charter or any policy of the LLG which sust= ains this Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 4: In all cases, the l= aw or officers thereof shall be superior to the LLG.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default">Clause 5:= The Body shall not notify or attempt to in any way regulate or pressure an= y entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG poli= cy - although it may search for and review such content.

Claus= e 6: If and when this Body finds such content as that which is described in= Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause B but does not have the authority to pursue s= uch disclaimer with respect to said content, or if and when there is lack o= f implemented policy or mandate concerning some content, it shall - accordi= ng to its discretion - notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendati= ons pertaining to such=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B The Body shall take no further ac= tion regarding or relating to such content unless explicitly authorized to = do by the LLG.

Clause 7:
=C2=A0Main provision: Regardless = of other provisions of the LLG, the actions of this Body shall be minimalis= tic, restrained, friendly and non-aggressive, and welcoming of experimentat= ion with or in - as well as welcoming of any usage or promotion of - any ve= rsion of any language which is endorsed or promoted by the LLG or which oth= erwise belongs to the purview or mandate of this Body or of the LLG (collec= tively described herein as "language(s)"). It shall actively enco= urage further innovation, exploration, usage, promotion, and creative or te= chnical or casual exercise of such languages in all of its external interac= tions.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: This body never shall attack= , defame, insult, or pressure (1) any users/authors of or in the relevant l= anguage(s) (or their associated communities) nor (2) the particular persona= l usage of any version of any language or other related work; it shall neve= r act in a manner which stifles or discourages anyone from enjoying, explor= ing, using, or promoting any such language; it shall take especial care reg= arding interactions with prospective or potentially new users, authors, and= community members, as well as people or entities with whom it has little p= rior interaction. In such cases, it shall at most request that the author(s= ): (1) sufficiently define new or experimental cmavo, gismu, rafsi, zi'= evla, and cmene, as well as sufficiently define and indicate nonstandard de= finitions thereof (regardless of their newness or other nature) or of lujvo= ; (2) sufficiently identify and explain nonstandard grammatical structures = which appear or are used within the content, or sufficiently describe the v= ersion(s) of the language which they are employing therein.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Any particular policy, decision, work, action, or= other output by this body shall be explicitly and particularly reviewed ag= ainst the provisions of Section 0 and Section 1, particular Section 1 Claus= e 7, and the standards thereof prior to its finalization and implementation= . Such review shall be conducted by the Body as a whole or by its leadershi= p.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: When there is doubt within the m= embership of the Body concerning a potential decision or course of action, = its primary preference shall be inaction, acceptance, and community-buildin= g.


Clause 8:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: = After its first composition (as described in Section 2 Clause 2), this Body= shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80= =8Byears plus six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Then (upon the completion of Section 1 Clause 8 Subc= lause A), it =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disauthorized, dissolved=E2=80=8B, = disconstituted,=E2=80=8B discontinued, and disincorporated in its entirety = - unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed i= n part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG. This shall= constitute the natural expiration of the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 = Subclause C: Upon it=E2=80=8Bs natural expiration=E2=80=8B (as described in= Section 1 Clause 8 Subclause B)=E2=80=8B, each of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicies, standards, work(s), decisions, and other output= shall return to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B = the LLG and all documentation by the Body (including thereof) shall be perm= anently given to the sole care of LLG; such things shall persist and remain= active and valid =E2=80=8Bas policies, standards, work(s), decisions, and = other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the = LLG=E2=80=8B until: (1) the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise or mo= difies or cancels them;=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or (2) upon the establis= hment and constitution of another (second) body or organization under the a= uthority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonemptily inters= ects that of the Body herein described (according to Section 0) - in which = case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisi= ons, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved = to this second body or organization unless otherwise specified by the LLG.<= /font>

Clause 9:
=C2=A0Main provision: All questions or proposal= s of whether to notify an external entity or subject (as described in Secti= on 0 or Section 1) must be clearly and explicitly stated to the members of = the Body in an organized and easy to find manner during an official meeting= of the Body; no external or externally-oriented action or implementation r= esulting from or resolving such questions or proposals, including any notif= ication, may be conducted or undertaken in any portion or degree, until the= elapse of four full calendrical days plus a unit of time (which is to be d= etermined by the Body according to Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) after: (= 1) appropriate debate is held and concluded; (2) a clear, relevant decision= is appropriately developed and agreed to by the members (possibly includin= g the special determination of the aforementioned unit of time); and (3) ex= plicit and particular certification of the result regarding its compliance = with Section 1 Clause 7 according to the internal regulations of the body. = The following conditions and procedures shall further apply:
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0 - Determination of Delay: The aforementioned unit = of time which is to be determined by the Body for the delay of an implement= ation or action based upon an externally-oriented decision shall in all cas= es be at least ten full calendrical days. If no special and explicit decisi= on concerning the value of this unit is made during the accompanying more-g= eneral decision/resolution, or is made in accordance with or by internal re= gulations of and by the Body in advance, then its value shall be ten full c= alendrical days.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 1 - Minimal Requireme= nts for Decisions: Appropriate and actionable agreement by the members will= , in all cases, be constituted by the explicit concent of at least a strict= majority of the attending members and in compliance with further internal = regulations made by the Body in advance.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Conditi= on 2 - Default Decision: Concerning potential external actions or externall= y-oriented decisions, the default position and result of any proposed actio= n or question shall, unless explicitly agreed to by a strict majority of th= e membership, be utter inaction (including a total lack of any notification= or pressure, or indication thereof, of the external entity or subject) in = anything related to the question of proposal in any manner whatsoever and c= ompliance with Section 1 Clause 7. If no clear, relevant, non-default-value= d decision for a given question or proposal is appropriately made and agree= d to, then such a default result shall be perfectly obeyed by the Body and = all members thereof.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Procedure 0 - Veto: While t= he following procedure is underway and in effect, the aforementioned delay = (defined in Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 = Condition 0) shall not elapse further, instead becoming paused; upon the fa= ilure or completion of any attempt at the utilization of this procedure, su= ch delay shall resume its elapsing from the state in which it was paused; c= ompletion or fulfillment of Step 0 or Step 1 shall not pause the elapse of = said delay until both Step 0 and Step 1 are completed and fulfilled. This p= rocedure shall follow the following steps (where Step 0 and Step 1 are mutu= ally exchangeable):
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step = 0: Any non-censored member of the Body can, for any reason whatsoever (or n= one), formally request that the LLG review any non-default-valued resolutio= n or decision of any such question or proposal described in the Main Provis= ion of Section 1 Clause 9; such request must be submitted to the LLG in exp= licit fashion, and in a fashion which the members of the LLG can understand= , within the delaying time interval described in the Main Provision of Sect= ion 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. If the LLG is not cur= rently meeting or accepting such petitions, then the member can instead mak= e explicit (to the other members of the Body) their intentions to do so onc= e the LLG meets and is open to accepting such petitions; they must fulfill = this intention in a timely manner at the next opportunity to do so, else th= is Procedure fails (or this Step is not satisfied) and the Body may proceed= as if it was never invoked.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2 Step 1: Whilst such notice or intention (as described in Step 0 of this= Procedure) is made by the member, they are also to explicitly and clearly = notify the Body of the same and of their intended invocation of this provis= ion (Section 1 Clause 9 Procedure 0); they are to do so within the unit of = time described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1= Clause 9 Condition 0.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 S= tep 2: Once Step 0 and Step 1 (each of this Procedure) are fulfilled (in ei= ther order), this Procedure takes effect and all relevant actions of the Bo= dy are to halt immediately and the decision described in the Main Provision= of Section 1 Clause 9 which is relevant to the invocation of this Procedur= e shall not be acted upon or implemented or output in any matter whatsoever= until the LLG makes a decision concerning it and all related discussions. = If either Step 0 or Step 1 is not satisfied within the delay interval descr= ibed in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 = Condition 0, then this Procedure will not be considered to be underway or i= n effect, and the Body can proceed as it was and the aforementioned time de= lay shall continue elapsing (having never been paused); if Step 0 and Step = 1 were both satisfied within the time delay interval aforementioned, then t= he elapse of said delay will immediately halt and be paused. This Step shal= l apply and be obeyed even if its applicability is not recognized by the le= adership of the Body in a sufficiently timely manner.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 3: Once such decision (as referenced in S= tep 2 of this Procedure) is made by the LLG, this Procedure is completed an= d this Body shall immediately and fully act accordingly and in good faith w= ith the decision of the LLG (regardless of their original decision concerni= ng the question or proposal). If the relevant issue is never resolved by th= e LLG during the meeting during which they are notified of the usage of thi= s procedure, then the default position on the question or proposal shall fu= lly apply and this Body cannot again entertain or take up such or related q= uestion or proposal (or other implementation thereof), unless the new propo= sal be to cease some relevant action and comply with Section 1 Clause 7, un= til the LLG so decides; while this lattermost condition applies, this Proce= dure shall be considered to be ongoing and in effect.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Definitions: The state of being censored, as r= eferenced in this provision, refers to the provisions of Section 1 Clause 1= 0; the default (or default state or default position) herein referenced is = that which is described in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 2.

<= /div>
Cla= use 10: The Body shall have the power to censor its own members in a formal= manner. The Body shall, in advance, decide regulations concerning the cens= orship of any of their members via unanimous and explicit decision after ap= propriate notice to all members. Any decision to actually implement the cen= soring of any member must be made by unanimous decision of all members, exc= epting the subject of the proposed censorship, and only upon appropriate ag= reement by the LLG; in any case, no state of censorship shall endure for mo= re than one-hundred forty-four full calendrical days. Constraints on partic= ipation or decision making within the Body which are to result from censors= hip shall only be those which accord with and result from the policy of the= LLG (including this charter) and the explicit, prior internal regulations = of the Body.

Clause 11: The Body shall immediately, during i= ts first meeting after incorporation according to Section 3, undertake to e= stablish internal rules and regulations which satisfy and enable the provis= ions of this section (id est: Section 1).

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*** Section 2 - Composition:

Clause 0 - Membership:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: The =E2=80=8Bfirs= t =E2=80=8Bmembership of the Body shall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner wh= ich the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined l= ater=E2=80=8B by the LLG.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Thereafte= r, all other (later) selections and (internal) regulations of its membershi= p shall be under the primary, autonomous, and direct authority and review o= f the Body itself, subject to the following conditions:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: Any regular/normal selection o= f new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendric= al years plus six calendrical months after both the original establishment = of this Body and the incorporation of this Body according to Section 3.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: Any change to s= uch selection or regulation shall become effective only upon due notice to = all members and the elapse of fourteen full calendrical days after its pass= age, excepting the case of an emergency as determined by an at-least-two-th= irds supermajority of the attending members.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Sub= clause D: All membership applications to the Body and notice for such appli= cation shall be entirely public.
<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause E: Al= l eligibility requirements for membership to the Body shall be entirely sub= ject to review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, wi= th the explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new me= mbership of the Body. This and other basic internal regulations shall be th= e first business to be determined by the Body during its first official mee= ting according to Section 2 Clause 2.

Clause 1 - Organization:= The Body shall govern and organize itself - and design and enforce its own= internal rules, its external standards, etc. - =E2=80=8Bautonomously insof= ar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, includ= ing the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. Such basic internal regulations s= hall be the first business to be determined by the Body during its first of= ficial meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2.

Clause 2 - Eve= nt of Composition and First Meeting: This Body shall be first composed on t= he earliest instance of 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January or 1 June which is at= least thirty-six mutually emptily-intersecting, twenty-four-hour-long inte= rvals after its incorporation (as described in Section 3). It shall then of= ficially meet for the first time, at a time and manner according to the wis= hes of all of its members. Its first business shall be to determine its bas= ic internal rules and regulations pursuant to each provision of this charte= r.

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*** Section 3 - Incorporation:
Clause 0: This body shall be incorporated upon and only upon the= completion and simultaneous fulfillment of each of the following condition= s:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: The first membership of this Bod= y having been properly selected, satisfying Section 2 Clause 0 with regard = to people who have capacity and willingness to maintain and realize active = membership in the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: A general n= ame for this Body is determined by the LLG in an official act thereof.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 2: Upon review of the purported satisfacti= on of all other conditions of Section 3 Clause 0 by the LLG, event of an ex= plicit declaration and granting of incorporation of and to the Body by the = LLG occurs.=C2=A0

=C2=A0",

where:
=C2=A0= =E2=80=A2 Any reference to Motion 4 and Motion 5 shall be understood to ref= er to the same motions as those so labelled in this current email chain or = any modification, successor, continuance, or replacement of the same.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Creative Care Services = <comcaresvcs@= gmail.com> wrote:
In addit= ion to the two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unofficial content, included= below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that he had made= three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering here is li= sted below as number six.

This motion is now waiting to = see if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0

.karis.= =C2=A0

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Concerning Uno= fficial Social Media Presences

Motion 4: &= quot;The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some body c= onstituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor social media= or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, bots, e= tc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever rel= ate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and w= hich are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and th= at such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclai= mer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG."<= /b>
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with the original disc= ussion which became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce suc= h requests, just make them. But having an official policy about addressing = them may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')"
= =C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

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Unofficialness D= isclaimer

Motion 5: "All non-official p= ages or content on *.lojba= n.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the websit= e is owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents ar= e not necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not= reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the s= ame."
* Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gl= eki.
=
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=C2=A0**** Here it is! **= **


Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, = =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body= =E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2= =80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enfor= ce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of LLG policy consi= stent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforementioned motion pr= oposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar po= licy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either potential violat= ions of the same or appropriate content which should be so disclaimed (rega= rdless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertaining to on= ly websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned policies o= f the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the authority to p= ursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shall notify the LLG= of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2= =80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B= ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motio= n 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll= of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subsumed by that of = the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it shall not not= ify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not subject to or= the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for and review such= content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesire= d design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any s= uch notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG direct= ly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of members, numbering = at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8B= decision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work t= o the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other sub= jects, according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by th= e LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concretely establishe= d=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain t= otal right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibilit= y for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or me= thods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2= =80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organize itself and design= and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8B= insofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, i= ncluding the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed o= n the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 January or first 1 June aft= er its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall exist for =E2= =80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2= =80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disso= lved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinued in its entirety, u= nless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed in p= art or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80= =8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other= output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility of= =E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas= =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as= appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LL= G=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon = the establishment and constitution of another body or organization under th= e authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonemptily int= ersects that of the body herein described (in which case, all aforementione= d pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it unless otherwis= e specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body= =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manne= r which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determin= ed later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other selection and regulatio= n of its membership shall be under the primary authority and review of the = body itself, although any regular selection of new membership shall not occ= ur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years and six calendrical m= onths after the original establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection o= f its first membership; all membership applications and notice for such app= lication shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requirements for membership to t= he body shall be subject to review and change by the LLG and must be explic= itly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selecti= on of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein = constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part = of, the selection of its first membership.=E2=80=8B"
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