Received: from [::1] (port=42642 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eY4pM-0008AA-FH; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:53:04 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:44894) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eY4op-00086B-G6 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:52:34 -0800 Received: by mail-yw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id m129so3251272ywb.11 for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4v2KPC6DLpFfyhFVfnxekPibHbsNIinIugsmPKWYyb0=; b=O+rzaJ1QhkCvkbiiPNTDP2lNMBlTCyA61uOf/QoXXlxLYJNn/IsZN9hio4SekS6K6o H/O/mAwnTV8OawJIN2sptXQ3x36OOmLtUHG6N4VRtwKnGVyYyRaYqgla7WZ+awfdlVjP QRM4mE+RSqa6RvC2kkXeT7Vg2aSqgMKa6ZYmulMrUE+Gvb3jtOePmrZwHHX9AZ/SH9EC 27DRukm2NGWPJ6of054nv1HRxeUz56fTgdfwNJX2bG3RWbTA+HkKyWzYvRAvwPuhU++z 9U4SX240XLdDdx/zD+kXtpVr6UJHbpHc11/CanYfcitTxMPbYnFATCkLca/yGvntbQbL VwHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4v2KPC6DLpFfyhFVfnxekPibHbsNIinIugsmPKWYyb0=; b=Ci2GZSViatzc5fFBiQs4AGVB8zgm1Rg/eBlN4o0EBD8yIOzR3dU+fhsKUZy7psoit2 vtNWoqUrJWEJP+OMhPqgDTZOtcr0jHMHMRWSEctB3BFNE8XHvYZ4HHLqjTvp0tmyF8DZ /SHPwzYVxwnIlSD1FFaUSAhmIqKpK9kjoA/gEVqw6Lf/aNI06mecxlDsjBwcnHuwtoB7 cdHsrjhBsl2OQgqvvLPNfFfuLnc9azYa9yJ6ywNhL59rKw+dE2Y1pgI/JYzS5sDRczbC tnLWvvlJNJSkxvG/gSFhUh0Qy3nJFKBNxoeX+ZqzujY5yQ45RiUMW6O3W2ltV1MIvix4 uDAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJuBxC0A7Yk+nwwVPXypx7ovC/xk4FUhLtp8eEkEThGJhb7Q9I1 ia9QjL9Ub14dsFiXmI1pLR32geD035xAAzI2u70= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouB5adnv9xYwNidjg143gSUpKLoJJ+acdj9xQs8Pnz6KrZA2khm7zEhR9yiMJ6DZlvgRZjeCf5epEoFEO+Nk30= X-Received: by 10.129.162.2 with SMTP id z2mr7643168ywg.275.1515307944333; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:52:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.199.2 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.199.2 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:52:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 01:52:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1956581655650981391==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1956581655650981391== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c115da2bf58d205622a1fdf" --94eb2c115da2bf58d205622a1fdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Syntax-oriented content" is composed of things like proposals for how Lojban should work, analysis of how it does work, perhaps some discussions or proposals concerning parsers, maybe reference guides, and stuff like that. It is not poems or stories or translations - you know: like, actual normal reading/content. It is more 'about' than 'in' the language. The class of all zi'evla includes that of all fu'ivla (at least in one - the intended - sense). It is basically the set of all brivla which are not gismu or lujvo. (I think. I am really tired, so I may have gotten that wrong. But you suggested the standard alternative, so you already know what I mean. :P ) On Jan 7, 2018 01:37, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > What is "syntax-oriented content"? > What is "zi'evla"? Maybe, fu'ivla? > > 2018-01-07 1:46 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > >> I rescind my proposal of and support for Motion 6; I 'unmove' it. I >> hereby proffer and move Motion 6 Amended 1ce, as described next: >> " >> >> ****** Motion 6 Amended 1ce ****** >> A motion and charter for a body: >> >> ___ >> >> >> *** Section 0 - Establishment and Purpose: >> >> Clause 0: >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: There shall herein be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2= =80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, >> constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the a= uthority of the LLG >> -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B (according to its discretion) oversee,=E2= =80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and >> (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and a= pplication >> of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant to the content of whichever o= f >> the following items have been passed by the LLG and are in effect: (1) a= ny >> of aforementioned motion proposals (id est: Motion 4, Motion 5); (2) any >> similar policy of the LLG which has been explicitly delegated to it. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: According to its discretion, this same body >> additionally shall search for both (1) potential violations of the same >> policies (as in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause A and in accord with Sectio= n 0 >> Clause 0 Subclause C), and (2) any content whatsoever which should be so >> disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and n= ot >> necessarily pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject t= o >> the aforementioned policies of the LLG) and which has been identified to= be >> appropriate for such disclaimer. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Regardless of any other provision of the LLG o= r this >> motion (excluding Section 1 Clause 7), the primary focus of this body sh= all >> be on: (1) official-seeming accounts, pages, or other entities which are >> not clearly personal and which are not endorsed by or under the direct >> control of the LLG; (2) teaching materials concerning topics related to = the >> LLG; (3) syntax-oriented content which may be confused for being officia= lly >> endorsed by the LLG, particular that which makes proposals or analysis >> concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (4) the curatio= n >> of LLG-associated or officially endorsed websites, publications, and >> content within its purview. Only with rare and carefully considered >> exception will this body concern itself with: (1) particular works in or >> usages of any language or version thereof, particularly if they are >> creative or primarily intended to be a non-instructive or >> position-nonassertive texts/content concerning the structure or >> functionality of a language; (2) obviously personal accounts or users wh= o >> do not claim official endorsement by the LLG for the content which they >> publish. Section 1 Clause 4, Section 1 Clause 5, and Section 1 Clause 7 >> shall be its primary legal, moral, operational, and intentional constrai= nts >> and shall have dominance over nearly all other concerns. >> >> Clause 1: The body described in Section 0 Clause 0 shall herein be simpl= y >> known as "the Body", "this Body", or (as appropriate) "it"; (note the >> orthographic casing of the first two options). This motion, upon its >> passage and entry into force, shall act as the charter for this Body and >> shall be active policy of the LLG. >> >> Clause 2: This entire motion shall be inactive, vacuous, ineffective, >> and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if: (1) Motion 4 and Motion 5 both= do not pass prior >> to this motion or during the same meeting of the LLG as that in which th= is >> motion was most recently proposed; (2) there is a failure to incorporate >> this Body according to Section 3 by 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January A.D. 2= 020 >> or within one full calendrical year of the passage of this motion by the >> LLG (whichever is later); or (3) a directive according to or in the >> pursuance of Section 1 Clause 4 is issued with the authorities therein >> described. >> >> ___ >> >> >> *** Section 1 - Operation and Constraints: >> >> Clause 0: This Body will autonomously regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-= =E2=80=8Bdesired >> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any = such notice, >> protocol, or disclaimer pursuant to Section 0=E2=80=8B Clause 0 in the s= tead of the >> LLG directly=E2=80=8B. >> >> Clause 1: The Body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bde= cision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, >> =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG at least one per any twelve-month-long inte= rval or >> immediately upon the request of the LLG or upon its expiration or >> termination. It shall save and preserve all documentation of such, as a >> work of the Body, in perpetuity and in unmodified, properly maintained a= nd >> connected and organized, and complete form. The body shall proffer any >> documentation to an appropriate law enforcement or legal official upon >> their request. >> >> Clause 2: The Body will notify the pertinent websites and entities and >> other subjects (pursuant to Section 0 Clause 0), according to its own >> discretion or according to the explicit and direct command by the LLG, a= s >> to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2=80= =8B. Such >> notification shall be only in a manner deemed suitable by the Body and >> (when appropriate) the LLG directly. >> >> Clause 3: Whilst the Body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain = total >> right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility >> for, the Body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or m= ethods or >> works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B= or its >> purview. >> >> Clause 4: All of this Body's authority shall be inferior to, derived >> from, and subsumed by that of the LLG or the law and shall be bounded by >> any policy or command of the LLG or the law. It shall, in good faith, >> endeavor to totally comply with and fulfill any such policy or command o= f >> LLG or the law. It shall also be subject to the following conditions: >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 0: If the LLG ceases to exist, then this Body sha= ll >> immediately cease to exist too. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: If this charter becomes inoperable or is total= ly >> deleted or abolished, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist as= if >> naturally expired (as in Section 1 Clause 8). If Section 0 Clause 2 appl= ies >> or is satisfied, then this charter is deemed to be totally inoperable. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 2: At any time and for any purpose (or none), the= LLG or >> law may cause the utter and immediate termination of this Body or may ha= lt >> or direct any of its works, debates, or other processes. While under >> investigation by the law or officers thereof, this body shall continue a= nd >> operate such that it complies with the directives of the law or the >> aforementioned officer and reduces all other endeavors so as to maximize >> its ability to comply therewith - and all other provisions to the contra= ry, >> including those by or according to this charter, shall be ignored. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 3: The LLG (within the restrictions and permissio= ns of the >> law) retains the sole right to edit or amend, add to, remove from, or >> delete or abolish this charter or any policy of the LLG which sustains t= his >> Body. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 4: In all cases, the law or officers thereof shal= l be >> superior to the LLG. >> >> Clause 5: The Body shall not notify or attempt to in any way regulate or >> pressure any entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of >> such LLG policy - although it may search for and review such content. >> >> Clause 6: If and when this Body finds such content as that which is >> described in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause B but does not have the author= ity >> to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, or if and when >> there is lack of implemented policy or mandate concerning some content, = it >> shall - according to its discretion - notify the LLG of the situation an= d >> its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B The Body shall= take no further >> action regarding or relating to such content unless explicitly authorize= d >> to do by the LLG. >> >> Clause 7: >> Main provision: Regardless of other provisions of the LLG, the actions >> of this Body shall be minimalistic, restrained, friendly and >> non-aggressive, and welcoming of experimentation with or in - as well as >> welcoming of any usage or promotion of - any version of any language whi= ch >> is endorsed or promoted by the LLG or which otherwise belongs to the >> purview or mandate of this Body or of the LLG (collectively described >> herein as "language(s)"). It shall actively encourage further innovation= , >> exploration, usage, promotion, and creative or technical or casual exerc= ise >> of such languages in all of its external interactions. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: This body never shall attack, defame, insult, = or >> pressure (1) any users/authors of or in the relevant language(s) (or the= ir >> associated communities) nor (2) the particular personal usage of any >> version of any language or other related work; it shall never act in a >> manner which stifles or discourages anyone from enjoying, exploring, usi= ng, >> or promoting any such language; it shall take especial care regarding >> interactions with prospective or potentially new users, authors, and >> community members, as well as people or entities with whom it has little >> prior interaction. In such cases, it shall at most request that the >> author(s): (1) sufficiently define new or experimental cmavo, gismu, raf= si, >> zi'evla, and cmene, as well as sufficiently define and indicate nonstand= ard >> definitions thereof (regardless of their newness or other nature) or of >> lujvo; (2) sufficiently identify and explain nonstandard grammatical >> structures which appear or are used within the content, or sufficiently >> describe the version(s) of the language which they are employing therein= . >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Any particular policy, decision, work, action,= or other >> output by this body shall be explicitly and particularly reviewed agains= t >> the provisions of Section 0 and Section 1, particular Section 1 Clause 7= , >> and the standards thereof prior to its finalization and implementation. >> Such review shall be conducted by the Body as a whole or by its leadersh= ip. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: When there is doubt within the membership of t= he Body >> concerning a potential decision or course of action, its primary prefere= nce >> shall be inaction, acceptance, and community-building. >> >> >> Clause 8: >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: After its first composition (as described in S= ection 2 >> Clause 2), this Body shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80= =8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears plus >> six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Then (upon the completion of Section 1 Clause = 8 >> Subclause A), it =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disauthorized, dissolved=E2= =80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B >> discontinued, and disincorporated in its entirety - unless its lifetime = is >> extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed in part or whole by exp= licit=E2=80=8B >> official action of the LLG. This shall constitute the natural expiration= of >> the Body. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Upon it=E2=80=8Bs natural expiration=E2=80=8B = (as described in Section >> 1 Clause 8 Subclause B)=E2=80=8B, each of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8Bpolicies, standards, work(s), >> decisions, and other output shall return to=E2=80=8B and become the dire= ct >> responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and all documentation by the Body (in= cluding >> thereof) shall be permanently given to the sole care of LLG; such things >> shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas policies, standard= s, work(s), >> decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the resp= onsibility >> of the LLG=E2=80=8B until: (1) the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides other= wise or modifies or >> cancels them;=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or (2) upon the establishment a= nd constitution of another >> (second) body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has o= r >> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the Body herein >> described (according to Section 0) - in which case, all aforementioned >> pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be >> inherited by and devolved to this second body or organization unless >> otherwise specified by the LLG. >> >> Clause 9: >> Main provision: All questions or proposals of whether to notify an >> external entity or subject (as described in Section 0 or Section 1) must= be >> clearly and explicitly stated to the members of the Body in an organized >> and easy to find manner during an official meeting of the Body; no exter= nal >> or externally-oriented action or implementation resulting from or resolv= ing >> such questions or proposals, including any notification, may be conducte= d >> or undertaken in any portion or degree, until the elapse of four full >> calendrical days plus a unit of time (which is to be determined by the B= ody >> according to Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) after: (1) appropriate deba= te >> is held and concluded; (2) a clear, relevant decision is appropriately >> developed and agreed to by the members (possibly including the special >> determination of the aforementioned unit of time); and (3) explicit and >> particular certification of the result regarding its compliance with >> Section 1 Clause 7 according to the internal regulations of the body. Th= e >> following conditions and procedures shall further apply: >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 0 - Determination of Delay: The aforementioned un= it of >> time which is to be determined by the Body for the delay of an >> implementation or action based upon an externally-oriented decision shal= l >> in all cases be at least ten full calendrical days. If no special and >> explicit decision concerning the value of this unit is made during the >> accompanying more-general decision/resolution, or is made in accordance >> with or by internal regulations of and by the Body in advance, then its >> value shall be ten full calendrical days. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 1 - Minimal Requirements for Decisions: Appropria= te and >> actionable agreement by the members will, in all cases, be constituted b= y >> the explicit concent of at least a strict majority of the attending memb= ers >> and in compliance with further internal regulations made by the Body in >> advance. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 2 - Default Decision: Concerning potential extern= al >> actions or externally-oriented decisions, the default position and resul= t >> of any proposed action or question shall, unless explicitly agreed to by= a >> strict majority of the membership, be utter inaction (including a total >> lack of any notification or pressure, or indication thereof, of the >> external entity or subject) in anything related to the question of propo= sal >> in any manner whatsoever and compliance with Section 1 Clause 7. If no >> clear, relevant, non-default-valued decision for a given question or >> proposal is appropriately made and agreed to, then such a default result >> shall be perfectly obeyed by the Body and all members thereof. >> =E2=80=A2 Procedure 0 - Veto: While the following procedure is underw= ay and in >> effect, the aforementioned delay (defined in Main Provision of Section 1 >> Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) shall not elapse further= , >> instead becoming paused; upon the failure or completion of any attempt a= t >> the utilization of this procedure, such delay shall resume its elapsing >> from the state in which it was paused; completion or fulfillment of Step= 0 >> or Step 1 shall not pause the elapse of said delay until both Step 0 and >> Step 1 are completed and fulfilled. This procedure shall follow the >> following steps (where Step 0 and Step 1 are mutually exchangeable): >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 0: Any non-censored member of the Body ca= n, for any reason >> whatsoever (or none), formally request that the LLG review any >> non-default-valued resolution or decision of any such question or propos= al >> described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9; such request must= be >> submitted to the LLG in explicit fashion, and in a fashion which the >> members of the LLG can understand, within the delaying time interval >> described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 >> Clause 9 Condition 0. If the LLG is not currently meeting or accepting s= uch >> petitions, then the member can instead make explicit (to the other membe= rs >> of the Body) their intentions to do so once the LLG meets and is open to >> accepting such petitions; they must fulfill this intention in a timely >> manner at the next opportunity to do so, else this Procedure fails (or t= his >> Step is not satisfied) and the Body may proceed as if it was never invok= ed. >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 1: Whilst such notice or intention (as de= scribed in Step 0 >> of this Procedure) is made by the member, they are also to explicitly an= d >> clearly notify the Body of the same and of their intended invocation of >> this provision (Section 1 Clause 9 Procedure 0); they are to do so withi= n >> the unit of time described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 a= nd >> in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 2: Once Step 0 and Step 1 (each of this P= rocedure) are >> fulfilled (in either order), this Procedure takes effect and all relevan= t >> actions of the Body are to halt immediately and the decision described i= n >> the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 which is relevant to the >> invocation of this Procedure shall not be acted upon or implemented or >> output in any matter whatsoever until the LLG makes a decision concernin= g >> it and all related discussions. If either Step 0 or Step 1 is not satisf= ied >> within the delay interval described in the Main Provision of Section 1 >> Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0, then this Procedure will >> not be considered to be underway or in effect, and the Body can proceed = as >> it was and the aforementioned time delay shall continue elapsing (having >> never been paused); if Step 0 and Step 1 were both satisfied within the >> time delay interval aforementioned, then the elapse of said delay will >> immediately halt and be paused. This Step shall apply and be obeyed even= if >> its applicability is not recognized by the leadership of the Body in a >> sufficiently timely manner. >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 3: Once such decision (as referenced in S= tep 2 of this >> Procedure) is made by the LLG, this Procedure is completed and this Body >> shall immediately and fully act accordingly and in good faith with the >> decision of the LLG (regardless of their original decision concerning th= e >> question or proposal). If the relevant issue is never resolved by the LL= G >> during the meeting during which they are notified of the usage of this >> procedure, then the default position on the question or proposal shall >> fully apply and this Body cannot again entertain or take up such or rela= ted >> question or proposal (or other implementation thereof), unless the new >> proposal be to cease some relevant action and comply with Section 1 Clau= se >> 7, until the LLG so decides; while this lattermost condition applies, th= is >> Procedure shall be considered to be ongoing and in effect. >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Definitions: The state of being censored, as r= eferenced in this >> provision, refers to the provisions of Section 1 Clause 10; the default = (or >> default state or default position) herein referenced is that which is >> described in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 2. >> >> Clause 10: The Body shall have the power to censor its own members in a >> formal manner. The Body shall, in advance, decide regulations concerning >> the censorship of any of their members via unanimous and explicit decisi= on >> after appropriate notice to all members. Any decision to actually implem= ent >> the censoring of any member must be made by unanimous decision of all >> members, excepting the subject of the proposed censorship, and only upon >> appropriate agreement by the LLG; in any case, no state of censorship sh= all >> endure for more than one-hundred forty-four full calendrical days. >> Constraints on participation or decision making within the Body which ar= e >> to result from censorship shall only be those which accord with and resu= lt >> from the policy of the LLG (including this charter) and the explicit, pr= ior >> internal regulations of the Body. >> >> Clause 11: The Body shall immediately, during its first meeting after >> incorporation according to Section 3, undertake to establish internal ru= les >> and regulations which satisfy and enable the provisions of this section = (id >> est: Section 1). >> >> ___ >> >> >> *** Section 2 - Composition: >> >> Clause 0 - Membership: >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: The Body shall consist of an odd number of mem= bers, >> numbering at least five, who shall be members of the community or people >> acceptable to the Body and the LLG and who accept their membership to th= e >> Body. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: The =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the = Body shall be =E2=80=8Bselected >> in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shal= l be >> determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Thereafter, all other (later) selections and (= internal) >> regulations of its membership shall be under the primary, autonomous, an= d >> direct authority and review of the Body itself, subject to the following >> conditions: >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: Any regular/normal selection of n= ew membership >> shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years plus = six >> calendrical months after both the original establishment of this Body an= d >> the incorporation of this Body according to Section 3. >> =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: Any change to such selection or r= egulation shall >> become effective only upon due notice to all members and the elapse of >> fourteen full calendrical days after its passage, excepting the case of = an >> emergency as determined by an at-least-two-thirds supermajority of the >> attending members. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause D: All membership applications to the Body and no= tice for >> such application shall be entirely public. >> =E2=80=A2 Subclause E: All eligibility requirements for membership to= the Body >> shall be entirely subject to review and change by the LLG and must be >> explicitly established, with the explicit permission of the LLG, prior t= o >> the selection of any new membership of the Body. This and other basic >> internal regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the >> Body during its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2. >> >> Clause 1 - Organization: The Body shall govern and organize itself - and >> design and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. = - >> =E2=80=8Bautonomously insofar as such does not conflict with the decisio= ns of the >> LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. Such basic= internal >> regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the Body dur= ing >> its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2. >> >> Clause 2 - Event of Composition and First Meeting: This Body shall be >> first composed on the earliest instance of 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January= or >> 1 June which is at least thirty-six mutually emptily-intersecting, >> twenty-four-hour-long intervals after its incorporation (as described in >> Section 3). It shall then officially meet for the first time, at a time = and >> manner according to the wishes of all of its members. Its first business >> shall be to determine its basic internal rules and regulations pursuant = to >> each provision of this charter. >> >> ___ >> >> >> *** Section 3 - Incorporation: >> >> Clause 0: This body shall be incorporated upon and only upon the >> completion and simultaneous fulfillment of each of the following conditi= ons: >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 0: The first membership of this Body having been = properly >> selected, satisfying Section 2 Clause 0 with regard to people who have >> capacity and willingness to maintain and realize active membership in th= e >> Body. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: A general name for this Body is determined by = the LLG >> in an official act thereof. >> =E2=80=A2 Condition 2: Upon review of the purported satisfaction of a= ll other >> conditions of Section 3 Clause 0 by the LLG, event of an explicit >> declaration and granting of incorporation of and to the Body by the LLG >> occurs. >> >> ", >> >> where: >> =E2=80=A2 Any reference to Motion 4 and Motion 5 shall be understood to= refer to >> the same motions as those so labelled in this current email chain or any >> modification, successor, continuance, or replacement of the same. >> >> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Creative Care Services < >> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, >>> included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that= he >>> had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considerin= g >>> here is listed below as number six. >>> >>> This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> >>>> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >>>> >>>> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or >>>> some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and moni= tor >>>> social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, >>>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way >>>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logi= cal >>>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or >>>> unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to >>>> prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and = not >>>> endorsed by the LLG.*"* >>>> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >>>> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, j= ust >>>> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be = good >>>> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >>>> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >>>> >>>> *___* >>>> >>>> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >>>> >>>> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >>>> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >>>> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >>>> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >>>> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of t= he >>>> same.*"* >>>> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> **** Here it is! **** >>> >>> >>> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished= =E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG = -=E2=80=8B which >>>> will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as pos= sible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official >>>> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >>>> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id >>>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which = shall search for >>>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which s= hould >>>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandat= e, >>>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to = the >>>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but do= es >>>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendati= ons >>>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, v= acuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* = both >>>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be i= nferior to and >>>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the= LLG >>>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content w= hich >>>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may s= earch >>>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof an= y such notice, >>>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2= =80=8B. The body shall >>>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the = LLG, >>>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total ri= ght of >>>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, th= e >>>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods = or works, as >>>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its = purview; the >>>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such = does not >>>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the content= s of this >>>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 >>>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after wh= ich >>>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendr= ical =E2=80=8Byears and six >>>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8B= be dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B= and such >>>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official a= ction of the >>>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2= =80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B= and become >>>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and re= main active >>>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and= other output=E2=80=8B (as >>>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until th= e LLG=E2=80=8B >>>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the es= tablishment and constitution >>>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which h= as or >>>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy= , standards, >>>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited= by and devolved to >>>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80= =8Bmembership of the >>>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected i= n a manner which the LLG >>>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall= be >>>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although an= y >>>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elaps= e of >>>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origi= nal >>>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membersh= ip; all >>>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be publi= c; >>>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject t= o >>>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitut= ed shall be >>>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selectio= n of >>>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c115da2bf58d205622a1fdf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Syntax-oriented content" is composed of things= like proposals for how Lojban should work, analysis of how it does work, p= erhaps some discussions or proposals concerning parsers, maybe reference gu= ides, and stuff like that. It is not poems or stories or translations - you= know: like, actual normal reading/content. It is more 'about' than= 'in' the language.

Th= e class of all zi'evla includes that of all fu'ivla (at least in on= e - the intended - sense). It is basically the set of all brivla which are = not gismu or lujvo. (I think. I am really tired, so I may have gotten that = wrong. But you suggested the standard alternative, so you already know what= I mean. :P )


On Jan 7, 2018 01:37, "Gleki Arxok= una" <gleki.is.my.nam= e@gmail.com> wrote:
What is "syntax-oriented content"?
Wh= at is "zi'evla"? Maybe, fu'ivla?

2018-01-07 1:46 GMT+03:00 Curt= is Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
I rescind my pro= posal of and support for Motion 6; I 'unmove' it. I hereby proffer = and move Motion 6 Amended 1ce, as described next:
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****** Motion 6 Amended 1ce ******
A motion and charter for a body= :

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*** Section 0 - Establishment and = Purpose:

Clause 0:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: The= re shall herein be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, cons= tituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authorit= y of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B (according to its discretion) o= versee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80= =8B the official implementation and application of LLG policy consistent wi= th and pursuant to the content of whichever of the following items have bee= n passed by the LLG and are in effect: (1) any of aforementioned motion pro= posals (id est: Motion 4, Motion 5); (2) any similar policy of the LLG whic= h has been explicitly delegated to it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause= B: According to its discretion, this same body additionally shall search f= or both (1) potential violations of the same policies (as in Section 0 Clau= se 0 Subclause A and in accord with Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause C), and (2= ) any content whatsoever which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any i= mplemented policy or other mandate, and not necessarily pertaining to only = websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned policies of t= he LLG) and which has been identified to be appropriate for such disclaimer= .
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Regardless of any other provision= of the LLG or this motion (excluding Section 1 Clause 7), the primary focu= s of this body shall be on: (1) official-seeming accounts, pages, or other = entities which are not clearly personal and which are not endorsed by or un= der the direct control of the LLG; (2) teaching materials concerning topics= related to the LLG; (3) syntax-oriented content which may be confused for = being officially endorsed by the LLG, particular that which makes proposals= or analysis concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (4) t= he curation of LLG-associated or officially endorsed websites, publications= , and content within its purview. Only with rare and carefully considered e= xception will this body concern itself with: (1) particular works in or usa= ges of any language or version thereof, particularly if they are creative o= r primarily intended to be a non-instructive or position-nonassertive texts= /content concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (2) obvio= usly personal accounts or users who do not claim official endorsement by th= e LLG for the content which they publish. Section 1 Clause 4, Section 1 Cla= use 5, and Section 1 Clause 7 shall be its primary legal, moral, operationa= l, and intentional constraints and shall have dominance over nearly all oth= er concerns.

Clause 1: The body described in Section 0 Claus= e 0 shall herein be simply known as "the Body", "this Body&q= uot;, or (as appropriate) "it"; (note the orthographic casing of = the first two options). This motion, upon its passage and entry into force,= shall act as the charter for this Body and shall be active policy of the L= LG.

Clause 2: This entire motion shall be inactive, vacuous, i= neffective, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if: (1) Motion 4 and Moti= on 5 both do not pass prior to this motion or during the same meeting of th= e LLG as that in which this motion was most recently proposed; (2) there is= a failure to incorporate this Body according to Section 3 by 12:00 (noon) = UTC of 1 January A.D. 2020 or within one full calendrical year of the passa= ge of this motion by the LLG (whichever is later); or (3) a directive accor= ding to or in the pursuance of Section 1 Clause 4 is issued with the author= ities therein described.

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Clause 0: This Body will aut= onomously regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, impleme= ntation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, proto= col, or disclaimer pursuant to Section 0=E2=80=8B Clause 0 in the stead of = the LLG directly=E2=80=8B.=C2=A0
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Clause 1: The Body shall publ= ish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG at least one per any t= welve-month-long interval or immediately upon the request of the LLG or upo= n its expiration or termination. It shall save and preserve all documentati= on of such, as a work of the Body, in perpetuity and in unmodified, properl= y maintained and connected and organized, and complete form. The body shall= proffer any documentation to an appropriate law enforcement or legal offic= ial upon their request.

<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">Clause 2: The Body will notify the per= tinent websites and entities and other subjects (pursuant to Section 0 Clau= se 0), according to its own discretion or according to the explicit and dir= ect command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are conc= retely established=E2=80=8B. Such notification shall be only in a manner de= emed suitable by the Body and (when appropriate) the LLG directly.

=
Clause 3: Whilst the Body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retai= n total right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibi= lity for, the Body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or= methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose= =E2=80=8B or its purview.

Clause 4: All of this Body's aut= hority shall be inferior to, derived from, and subsumed by that of the LLG = or the law and shall be bounded by any policy or command of the LLG or the = law. It shall, in good faith, endeavor to totally comply with and fulfill a= ny such policy or command of LLG or the law. It shall also be subject to th= e following conditions:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: If the LLG = ceases to exist, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist too.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: If this charter becomes inoperable or i= s totally deleted or abolished, then this Body shall immediately cease to e= xist as if naturally expired (as in Section 1 Clause 8). If Section 0 Claus= e 2 applies or is satisfied, then this charter is deemed to be totally inop= erable.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 2: At any time and for any pur= pose (or none), the LLG or law may cause the utter and immediate terminatio= n of this Body or may halt or direct any of its works, debates, or other pr= ocesses. While under investigation by the law or officers thereof, this bod= y shall continue and operate such that it complies with the directives of t= he law or the aforementioned officer and reduces all other endeavors so as = to maximize its ability to comply therewith - and all other provisions to t= he contrary, including those by or according to this charter, shall be igno= red.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 3: The LLG (within the restrictio= ns and permissions of the law) retains the sole right to edit or amend, add= to, remove from, or delete or abolish this charter or any policy of the LL= G which sustains this Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 4: In all = cases, the law or officers thereof shall be superior to the LLG.

Clause 5: The Body shall not notify or attempt to in any way regulate or= pressure any entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of s= uch LLG policy - although it may search for and review such content.=
Clause 6: If and when this Body finds such content as that which is = described in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause B but does not have the authority= to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, or if and when the= re is lack of implemented policy or mandate concerning some content, it sha= ll - according to its discretion - notify the LLG of the situation and its = recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B The Body shall take n= o further action regarding or relating to such content unless explicitly au= thorized to do by the LLG.

Clause 7:
=C2=A0Main provision:= Regardless of other provisions of the LLG, the actions of this Body shall = be minimalistic, restrained, friendly and non-aggressive, and welcoming of = experimentation with or in - as well as welcoming of any usage or promotion= of - any version of any language which is endorsed or promoted by the LLG = or which otherwise belongs to the purview or mandate of this Body or of the= LLG (collectively described herein as "language(s)"). It shall a= ctively encourage further innovation, exploration, usage, promotion, and cr= eative or technical or casual exercise of such languages in all of its exte= rnal interactions.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: This body never = shall attack, defame, insult, or pressure (1) any users/authors of or in th= e relevant language(s) (or their associated communities) nor (2) the partic= ular personal usage of any version of any language or other related work; i= t shall never act in a manner which stifles or discourages anyone from enjo= ying, exploring, using, or promoting any such language; it shall take espec= ial care regarding interactions with prospective or potentially new users, = authors, and community members, as well as people or entities with whom it = has little prior interaction. In such cases, it shall at most request that = the author(s): (1) sufficiently define new or experimental cmavo, gismu, ra= fsi, zi'evla, and cmene, as well as sufficiently define and indicate no= nstandard definitions thereof (regardless of their newness or other nature)= or of lujvo; (2) sufficiently identify and explain nonstandard grammatical= structures which appear or are used within the content, or sufficiently de= scribe the version(s) of the language which they are employing therein.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Any particular policy, decision, work,= action, or other output by this body shall be explicitly and particularly = reviewed against the provisions of Section 0 and Section 1, particular Sect= ion 1 Clause 7, and the standards thereof prior to its finalization and imp= lementation. Such review shall be conducted by the Body as a whole or by it= s leadership.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: When there is doubt w= ithin the membership of the Body concerning a potential decision or course = of action, its primary preference shall be inaction, acceptance, and commun= ity-building.


<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">Clause 8:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 S= ubclause A: After its first composition (as described in Section 2 Clause 2= ), this Body shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendri= cal =E2=80=8Byears plus six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths.
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Then (upon the completion of Section 1 Cla= use 8 Subclause A), it =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disauthorized, dissolved= =E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B discontinued, and disincorporated in it= s entirety - unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration i= s delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG.= This shall constitute the natural expiration of the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Upon it=E2=80=8Bs natural expiration=E2=80=8B (as= described in Section 1 Clause 8 Subclause B)=E2=80=8B, each of its =E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicies, standards, work(s), decisions, and = other output shall return to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility = of=E2=80=8B the LLG and all documentation by the Body (including thereof) s= hall be permanently given to the sole care of LLG; such things shall persis= t and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas policies, standards, work(s), dec= isions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibi= lity of the LLG=E2=80=8B until: (1) the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides oth= erwise or modifies or cancels them;=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or (2) upon = the establishment and constitution of another (second) body or organization= under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonem= ptily intersects that of the Body herein described (according to Section 0)= - in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, = work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by a= nd devolved to this second body or organization unless otherwise specified = by the LLG.

Clause 9:
=C2=A0Main provision: All questions = or proposals of whether to notify an external entity or subject (as describ= ed in Section 0 or Section 1) must be clearly and explicitly stated to the = members of the Body in an organized and easy to find manner during an offic= ial meeting of the Body; no external or externally-oriented action or imple= mentation resulting from or resolving such questions or proposals, includin= g any notification, may be conducted or undertaken in any portion or degree= , until the elapse of four full calendrical days plus a unit of time (which= is to be determined by the Body according to Section 1 Clause 9 Condition = 0) after: (1) appropriate debate is held and concluded; (2) a clear, releva= nt decision is appropriately developed and agreed to by the members (possib= ly including the special determination of the aforementioned unit of time);= and (3) explicit and particular certification of the result regarding its = compliance with Section 1 Clause 7 according to the internal regulations of= the body. The following conditions and procedures shall further apply:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0 - Determination of Delay: The aforement= ioned unit of time which is to be determined by the Body for the delay of a= n implementation or action based upon an externally-oriented decision shall= in all cases be at least ten full calendrical days. If no special and expl= icit decision concerning the value of this unit is made during the accompan= ying more-general decision/resolution, or is made in accordance with or by = internal regulations of and by the Body in advance, then its value shall be= ten full calendrical days.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 1 - Minima= l Requirements for Decisions: Appropriate and actionable agreement by the m= embers will, in all cases, be constituted by the explicit concent of at lea= st a strict majority of the attending members and in compliance with furthe= r internal regulations made by the Body in advance.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2= =80=A2 Condition 2 - Default Decision: Concerning potential external action= s or externally-oriented decisions, the default position and result of any = proposed action or question shall, unless explicitly agreed to by a strict = majority of the membership, be utter inaction (including a total lack of an= y notification or pressure, or indication thereof, of the external entity o= r subject) in anything related to the question of proposal in any manner wh= atsoever and compliance with Section 1 Clause 7. If no clear, relevant, non= -default-valued decision for a given question or proposal is appropriately = made and agreed to, then such a default result shall be perfectly obeyed by= the Body and all members thereof.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Procedure 0 -= Veto: While the following procedure is underway and in effect, the aforeme= ntioned delay (defined in Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Secti= on 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) shall not elapse further, instead becoming pause= d; upon the failure or completion of any attempt at the utilization of this= procedure, such delay shall resume its elapsing from the state in which it= was paused; completion or fulfillment of Step 0 or Step 1 shall not pause = the elapse of said delay until both Step 0 and Step 1 are completed and ful= filled. This procedure shall follow the following steps (where Step 0 and S= tep 1 are mutually exchangeable):
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2= =E2=80=A2 Step 0: Any non-censored member of the Body can, for any reason w= hatsoever (or none), formally request that the LLG review any non-default-v= alued resolution or decision of any such question or proposal described in = the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9; such request must be submitted to= the LLG in explicit fashion, and in a fashion which the members of the LLG= can understand, within the delaying time interval described in the Main Pr= ovision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. If the= LLG is not currently meeting or accepting such petitions, then the member = can instead make explicit (to the other members of the Body) their intentio= ns to do so once the LLG meets and is open to accepting such petitions; the= y must fulfill this intention in a timely manner at the next opportunity to= do so, else this Procedure fails (or this Step is not satisfied) and the B= ody may proceed as if it was never invoked.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 1: Whilst such notice or intention (as described in= Step 0 of this Procedure) is made by the member, they are also to explicit= ly and clearly notify the Body of the same and of their intended invocation= of this provision (Section 1 Clause 9 Procedure 0); they are to do so with= in the unit of time described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 a= nd in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2 Step 2: Once Step 0 and Step 1 (each of this Procedure) are fu= lfilled (in either order), this Procedure takes effect and all relevant act= ions of the Body are to halt immediately and the decision described in the = Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 which is relevant to the invocation of= this Procedure shall not be acted upon or implemented or output in any mat= ter whatsoever until the LLG makes a decision concerning it and all related= discussions. If either Step 0 or Step 1 is not satisfied within the delay = interval described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Secti= on 1 Clause 9 Condition 0, then this Procedure will not be considered to be= underway or in effect, and the Body can proceed as it was and the aforemen= tioned time delay shall continue elapsing (having never been paused); if St= ep 0 and Step 1 were both satisfied within the time delay interval aforemen= tioned, then the elapse of said delay will immediately halt and be paused. = This Step shall apply and be obeyed even if its applicability is not recogn= ized by the leadership of the Body in a sufficiently timely manner.<= /div>
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 3: Once such decision (as r= eferenced in Step 2 of this Procedure) is made by the LLG, this Procedure i= s completed and this Body shall immediately and fully act accordingly and i= n good faith with the decision of the LLG (regardless of their original dec= ision concerning the question or proposal). If the relevant issue is never = resolved by the LLG during the meeting during which they are notified of th= e usage of this procedure, then the default position on the question or pro= posal shall fully apply and this Body cannot again entertain or take up suc= h or related question or proposal (or other implementation thereof), unless= the new proposal be to cease some relevant action and comply with Section = 1 Clause 7, until the LLG so decides; while this lattermost condition appli= es, this Procedure shall be considered to be ongoing and in effect.<= /div>
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Definitions: The state of being = censored, as referenced in this provision, refers to the provisions of Sect= ion 1 Clause 10; the default (or default state or default position) herein = referenced is that which is described in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 2.
Clause 10: The Body shall have the power to censor its own membe= rs in a formal manner. The Body shall, in advance, decide regulations conce= rning the censorship of any of their members via unanimous and explicit dec= ision after appropriate notice to all members. Any decision to actually imp= lement the censoring of any member must be made by unanimous decision of al= l members, excepting the subject of the proposed censorship, and only upon = appropriate agreement by the LLG; in any case, no state of censorship shall= endure for more than one-hundred forty-four full calendrical days. Constra= ints on participation or decision making within the Body which are to resul= t from censorship shall only be those which accord with and result from the= policy of the LLG (including this charter) and the explicit, prior interna= l regulations of the Body.

Clause 11: The Body shall immediate= ly, during its first meeting after incorporation according to Section 3, un= dertake to establish internal rules and regulations which satisfy and enabl= e the provisions of this section (id est: Section 1).

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*** Section 2 - Composition:

Clause 0 - Memb= ership:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: The Body shall consist of a= n odd number of members, numbering at least five, who shall be members of t= he community or people acceptable to the Body and the LLG and who accept th= eir membership to the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: The =E2= =80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the Body shall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a= manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be de= termined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C:= Thereafter, all other (later) selections and (internal) regulations of its= membership shall be under the primary, autonomous, and direct authority an= d review of the Body itself, subject to the following conditions:
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: Any regular/normal = selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully tw= o calendrical years plus six calendrical months after both the original est= ablishment of this Body and the incorporation of this Body according to Sec= tion 3.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: Any = change to such selection or regulation shall become effective only upon due= notice to all members and the elapse of fourteen full calendrical days aft= er its passage, excepting the case of an emergency as determined by an at-l= east-two-thirds supermajority of the attending members.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =E2=80=A2 Subclause D: All membership applications to the Body and notice f= or such application shall be entirely public.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Su= bclause E: All eligibility requirements for membership to the Body shall be= entirely subject to review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly es= tablished, with the explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection = of any new membership of the Body. This and other basic internal regulation= s shall be the first business to be determined by the Body during its first= official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default">Clause 1 = - Organization: The Body shall govern and organize itself - and design and = enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. - =E2=80=8Baut= onomously insofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LLG= =E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. Such basic inter= nal regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the Body du= ring its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2.

Clause 2 - Event of Composition and First Meeting: This Body shall be fi= rst composed on the earliest instance of 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January or 1= June which is at least thirty-six mutually emptily-intersecting, twenty-fo= ur-hour-long intervals after its incorporation (as described in Section 3).= It shall then officially meet for the first time, at a time and manner acc= ording to the wishes of all of its members. Its first business shall be to = determine its basic internal rules and regulations pursuant to each provisi= on of this charter.

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*** Section 3 - = Incorporation:

Clause 0: This body shall be incorporated upon = and only upon the completion and simultaneous fulfillment of each of the fo= llowing conditions:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: The first membe= rship of this Body having been properly selected, satisfying Section 2 Clau= se 0 with regard to people who have capacity and willingness to maintain an= d realize active membership in the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Conditi= on 1: A general name for this Body is determined by the LLG in an official = act thereof.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 2: Upon review of the pur= ported satisfaction of all other conditions of Section 3 Clause 0 by the LL= G, event of an explicit declaration and granting of incorporation of and to= the Body by the LLG occurs.=C2=A0

=C2=A0",
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= where:
=C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Any reference to Motion 4 and Motion 5 shall be = understood to refer to the same motions as those so labelled in this curren= t email chain or any modification, successor, continuance, or replacement o= f the same.

On Fri, Jan = 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
In addition to the two other proposals reg= arding=C2=A0 unofficial content, included below because this one refers to = them, Curtis pointed out that he had made three rather than two on this top= ic. The one we are considering here is listed below as number six.

=
This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it= .=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

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Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences

Motion 4: "The LLG shall adopt an offi= cial policy that the LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose sh= all search for and monitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages,= profiles, groups, communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities= ") which in any way whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or ot= her LLG-adopted logical languages and which are not clearly human, personal= , non-promoting, or unofficial - and that such a body shall request such en= tities to prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial= and not endorsed by the LLG."
=C2=A0* I noted the = following caveat with the original discussion which became a motion: "= (I do not think that we can enforce such requests, just make them. But havi= ng an official policy about addressing them may be good and gives us some m= oral 'standing')"
=C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by = gleki.

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Unofficialness Disclaimer

= Motion 5: "All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a disc= laimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and managed by voluntar= y people, and that the marked contents are not necessarily harmonized with = the official design of Lojban and may not reflect, let alone perfectly comp= ly with, official specifications of the same."
* Moved b= y me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.



=C2=A0**** Here it is! ****


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Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, const= ituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority= of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80= =8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation= and application of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the con= tent of the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(id est: M= otion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one = thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall= search for either potential violations of the same or appropriate content = which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or othe= r mandate, and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subje= ct to the aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content b= ut does not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to sa= id content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendation= s pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacu= ous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion pro= posals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both = do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be in= ferior to and subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such poli= cy of the LLG and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or = content which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although= it may search for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the o= fficially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B,= and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80= =8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an= odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body shall publish all= of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent w= ebsites and entities and other subjects, according to its own discretion or= explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies o= nce such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constitute= d, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and control over,= but not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2= =80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as any matter b= elonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall g= overn and organize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, it= s external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with = the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2= =80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the= first 1 January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, afte= r which point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcale= ndrical =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and the= n =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B a= nd discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B a= nd such expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B officia= l action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previ= ously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, sta= ndards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and bec= ome the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decision= s, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility = of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of anot= her body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall = have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described = (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, wo= rk, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and= devolved to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst = =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall = be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appro= priate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, al= l other selection and regulation of its membership shall be under the prima= ry authority and review of the body itself, although any regular selection = of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendri= cal years and six calendrical months after the original establishment of th= e body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership appli= cations and notice for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0r= equirements for membership to the body shall be subject to review and chang= e by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission o= f the LLG, prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80= =8B The name of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG = during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership.<= /span>=E2=80=8B"
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