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From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 09:01:17 +0000
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I did not second the motion because it seems excessive for removing or
avoiding the current and the future disorder about what is the
official information.

Anyone can create accounts on social media that may deceive people
into believing that it were owned by the LLG. The number of such
accounts should be finite but can be very large, and then it will be
too much work for a small group to investigate the nastiness of each
account. The problem can be solved in another way: if the LLG has an
official website and declare on the top page that the LLG does not own
any accounts on any social media, people will become aware of the
deceit. The real problem is that the LLG has no official website that
should be under control of the LLG, and therefore it is impossible
that the LLG would declare something on a top page of a website.

Currently, the following information is out of control of the LLG, and
actually deceives people into believing that the information were
approved by the LLG:

- All files under https://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ that is a symbolic
link of Gleki's personal directory:
http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/
- most of mediawiki or tiki pages under *.lojban.org that are managed
by volunteers with no rule
- All repositories of Gleki's la-lojban https://github.com/la-lojban ,
some of which are published as web pages under
https://la-lojban.github.io/ .
- All repositories of the Lojban Coders' Group
https://github.com/lojban that are managed by volunteers with no rule,
some of which are published as web pages under
https://lojban.github.io/ .

The LLG can ask the administrators of them for adding a disclaimer on
each webpage that the contents are out of control of the LLG, but such
a petition may be ignored by the administrators. Instead, it would be
a certain counter-measure to create an official website of the LLG and
to declare on the top page that the LLG is not responsible for the
contents on any other websites like *.lojban.org, la-lojban.github.io
or lojban.github.io. My last motion would solve the problem, though it
was ignored and not discussed by the LLG.
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/2017-February/001357.html

mi'e la guskant


2018-01-08 6:23 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
> I would like to hear from .guskant. about this.
>
> On Dec 29, 2017 03:06, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I propose (not quite as a motion) that the LLG adopt an official policy
>> that the LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose search for and
>> monitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups,
>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way
>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical
>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or
>> unofficial - and that such a body requests such entities to prominently
>> display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by
>> the LLG.
>>
>> (I do not think that we can enforce such requests, just make them. But
>> having an official policy about addressing them may be good and gives us
>> some moral 'standing')
>
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