Received: from localhost ([::1]:48450 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ebZDO-0000uw-Mc; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:56:18 -0800 Received: from mail-yb0-f177.google.com ([209.85.213.177]:39754) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ebZCs-0000th-Jo for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:55:48 -0800 Received: by mail-yb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 65so7909705ybz.6 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6sXqvjqIOcc/QblyUKkbsiNXqodwrFfNSBVoE+Ts1uo=; b=j49JP0TwYxKjVPuRNsz7zUO8ZcFmNxKTvtD7ho/+1DGCrMtNT9aTdykmO6S7qiTKqQ UOqOmAnQXh4FJvnC+jkEK8kGKKAc1gVOTGjIJPq/UyP83OjQMLHiTxk+gHkSUy931iBy XbjpQ4n+dYdrMXUbS+qnmcq0vcAmjFiilUYi2hUxs8oxVolrLstrmb63TaB9v1drxFBd NoMHBOdtsc1Frtw3LkxOn3D7TD9LXyOGe8rb3lq71Fq5zxOvpTKEdrWAuvYR8T32gSAC GWDydo8JS0TQY5DNvNSNwY7HpSQyCM7OKIvkk/QFlncE1a3a+2mC0v9XisEn9vOPvHao kfuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=6sXqvjqIOcc/QblyUKkbsiNXqodwrFfNSBVoE+Ts1uo=; b=r8+DKGopGK/+/AtOouMkFfVYEkJyeAR7pAtzcvclFVV4LV85Zf0gS8RwF/GXI+GJD4 UIXeXLFrmy3Ite5Iz1wiG4yhWb8Z1UYUSLSrlOYdiPdfGuM0Ix00mlYUYDZ14hczMHEx L9N8pyKgjAdSzPnDGqLLaK25kyQTGMO2BtehZkScbc1ivI4bYRuarPgQcskIPR28AOrJ bTMvEwDklpV9WlkbrpyJqe611FiqPm/49LU6BLYOk9CzLpOQLd9t1b3FCRLsaMjesIeM 5hqN2w7L+SslyGC8fOiDssp4yO1brPnnAR2k1q+CXVnahG+t5ksp3shte4Z1CK7mqYOz CADw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKThJytInOhOFjnbdYKL/G3Y1k0Rd6kbZA6z/CgoBRch6MuqDr8 2llcVX24ok3alpl+uoBNAyqkQCxp9neIJOiqXFk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovi4ZaHoGVL+qr68RU2bMGz78NhRzwtXulQbKdqHKV2CsCh2WVh53p7PkIx3Vlmh7pfiEiyHVrjruihnYHKJMY= X-Received: by 10.37.177.10 with SMTP id g10mr36214625ybj.434.1516139739653; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.199.2 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.199.2 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Vote : Proposal 6 for a Body to Investigate Officialness of Other Sites, Etc. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9044659269898750122==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============9044659269898750122== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f348a9cac0b0562ebcaa7" --f403045f348a9cac0b0562ebcaa7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I vote "nay" for Motion #6. I vote "aye" for Motion #6 Amended 1ce. On Jan 16, 2018 10:58, "Creative Care Services" wrote: > I hereby open voting on this proposal, as stated below. I'm sorry it is > preceded by so many indents. Voting will close after that of Motions 4 an= d > 5 to allow voting sequentially, therefore it will be open at least throug= h > midnight of 1/20/18 GMT. > > .karis. > > *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and > organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80= =8B which will=E2=80=8B > oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2= =80=8B the official > implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and > pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id est: > Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2= =80=8B or > any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either = potential > violations of the same or appropriate content which should be so disclaim= ed > (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertainin= g > to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned > policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the > authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shal= l > notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to > such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80= =8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if > the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* both do not > pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to= and subsumed by > that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it sha= ll > not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not > subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for > and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80= =8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, > implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such noti= ce, protocol, or > disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body s= hall consist of an > odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body shall publish al= l > of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the > pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, according to its own > discretion or explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards > and policies once such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the bo= dy is > constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and c= ontrol > over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of its > ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as an= y matter > belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shal= l govern > and organize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, its > external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with = the > decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2= =80=8B. The body > shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 Januar= y or first 1 June > after its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall exist fo= r > =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six = =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then > =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B a= nd discontinued in its entirety, > unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed i= n part or > whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs = expiration=E2=80=8B > (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, > and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsi= bility of=E2=80=8B > the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80= =8Bpolicy, > standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of= and in > the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly = decides > otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and consti= tution of another body or > organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purvi= ew > which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which > case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, deci= sions, and > other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it u= nless otherwise > specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body= =E2=80=8Bherein > constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG= decides =E2=80=8Bto be > appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereaf= ter, all > other selection and regulation of its membership shall be under the prima= ry > authority and review of the body itself, although any regular selection o= f > new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendric= al > years and six calendrical months after the original establishment of the > body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership appli= cations > and notice for such application shall be public; eligibility requirements > for membership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the L= LG > and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, > prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The na= me of the > body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to= , > and as part of, the selection of its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* > > > > On Jan 5, 2018 09:50, "Creative Care Services" > wrote: > > In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, > included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that h= e > had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering > here is listed below as number six. > > This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. > > .karis. > > >> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >> >> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some >> body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor soc= ial >> media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, >> bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever rel= ate >> to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and wh= ich >> are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and that >> such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclai= mer >> stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG.*"* >> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, jus= t >> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be go= od >> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >> >> *___* >> >> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >> >> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the >> same.*"* >> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >> >> > > > **** Here it is! **** > > > *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and >> organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2= =80=8B which will=E2=80=8B >> oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce= =E2=80=8B the official >> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id est: >> Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2= =80=8B >> or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for eit= her >> potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should be = so >> disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and n= ot >> pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the >> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does >> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendation= s >> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vac= uous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* bo= th >> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inf= erior to and >> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the L= LG >> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content whi= ch >> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may sea= rch >> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2= =80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any = such notice, >> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the LL= G, >> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2= =80=8B. >> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total righ= t of >> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or= works, as >> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its pu= rview; the >> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such do= es not >> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents = of this >> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whic= h >> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendric= al =E2=80=8Byears and six >> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe= dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B a= nd such >> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official act= ion of the >> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B a= nd become >> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rema= in active >> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and o= ther output=E2=80=8B (as >> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the = LLG=E2=80=8B >> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the esta= blishment and constitution >> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has= or >> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, = standards, >> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited b= y and devolved to >> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bm= embership of the >> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in = a manner which the LLG >> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall b= e >> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse = of >> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origina= l >> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership= ; all >> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public; >> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constituted= shall be >> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection = of >> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403045f348a9cac0b0562ebcaa7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I vote "nay" for Motion #6.
I = vote "aye" for Motion #6 Amended 1ce.

On Jan 16, 2018 10:58, "Crea= tive Care Services" <comca= resvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I hereby open voting on this propos= al, as stated below. I'm sorry it is preceded by so many indents. Votin= g will close after that of Motions 4 and 5 to allow voting sequentially, th= erefore it will be open at least through midnight of 1/20/18 GMT.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8B= established=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B -= under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B overs= ee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B = the official implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with a= nd pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals=C2= =A0(id est:= Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any = similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either potent= ial violations of the same or appropriate content which should be so discla= imed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertai= ning to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned = policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the auth= ority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shall noti= fy the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2= =80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B total= ly=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do= not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be infe= rior to and subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy= of the LLG and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or co= ntent which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although i= t may search for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the off= icially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, a= nd enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80= =8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an= odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body shall publish all= of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent w= ebsites and entities and other subjects, according to its own discretion or= explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies o= nce such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constitute= d, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and control over,= but not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2= =80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as any matter b= elonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall g= overn and organize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, it= s external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with = the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2= =80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the= first 1 January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, afte= r which point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcale= ndrical =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and the= n =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B a= nd discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B a= nd such expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B officia= l action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previ= ously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, sta= ndards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and bec= ome the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decision= s, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility = of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of anot= her body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall = have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described = (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, wo= rk, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and= devolved to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst = =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall = be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appro= priate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, al= l other selection and regulation of its membership shall be under the prima= ry authority and review of the body itself, although any regular selection = of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendri= cal years and six calendrical months after the original establishment of th= e body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership appli= cations and notice for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0r= equirements for membership to the body shall be subject to review and chang= e by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission o= f the LLG, prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80= =8B The name of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG = during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership.<= /span>=E2=80=8B&qu= ot;


On Jan 5, 2018 09:50, "Creative Care Services&quo= t; <comcaresv= cs@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition to the two other proposals regarding=C2= =A0 unofficial content, included below because this one refers to them, Cur= tis pointed out that he had made three rather than two on this topic. The o= ne we are considering here is listed below as number six.

This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences
Motion 4: "The LLG shall adopt an official pol= icy that the LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose shall sear= ch for and monitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profile= s, groups, communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") = which in any way whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-= adopted logical languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-pr= omoting, or unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities t= o prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not= endorsed by the LLG."
=C2=A0* I noted the followin= g caveat with the original discussion which became a motion: "(I do no= t think that we can enforce such requests, just make them. But having an of= ficial policy about addressing them may be good and gives us some moral = 9;standing')"
=C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

___

Unofficialness Disclaimer

Motion = 5: "All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer sta= ting, at least, that the website is owned and managed by voluntary people, = and that the marked contents are not necessarily harmonized with the offici= al design of Lojban and may not reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, o= fficial specifications of the same."
* Moved by me, seco= nded by at least guskant and gleki.
=



=C2=A0**** Here it is! ****


Motion 6: "There s= hall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2= =80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LL= G -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (= insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and appli= cation of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of th= e aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or= Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,= =E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search = for either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which sh= ould be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandat= e, and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to th= e aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does = not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said conte= nt, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertai= ning to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and= =E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals= =C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not= pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior= to and subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of = the LLG and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or conten= t which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it ma= y search for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officia= lly=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and e= nforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in= the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd n= umber of members, numbering at least five. The body shall publish all of it= s =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs= =E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websi= tes and entities and other subjects, according to its own discretion or exp= licit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once = such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, t= he LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and control over, but= not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B= or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as any matter belongi= ng to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern = and organize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, its exte= rnal standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the de= cisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B= . The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first= 1 January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whic= h point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrica= l =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2= =80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and di= scontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and su= ch expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official act= ion of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously= )=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standard= s, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become t= he direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain a= ctive and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, an= d other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of th= e LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of another bo= dy or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have p= urview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in wh= ich case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, de= cisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devol= ved to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80= =8Bmembership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2= =80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate= , which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all othe= r selection and regulation of its membership shall be under the primary aut= hority and review of the body itself, although any regular selection of new= membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical ye= ars and six calendrical months after the original establishment of the body= =E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership application= s and notice for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0require= ments for membership to the body shall be subject to review and change by t= he LLG and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the = LLG, prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The= name of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during = or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership.<= b style=3D"background-color:initial;font-family:"times new roman"= ,serif">=E2=80=8B"
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