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X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3431911916998190839==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3431911916998190839== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1143ecca6046ca0562ebf2eb" --001a1143ecca6046ca0562ebf2eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (For clarity: The motion which was originally, actually explicitly included in this thread was Motion #6. Motion #6 Amended 1ce was not so included.) On Jan 16, 2018 16:55, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > I vote "nay" for Motion #6. > I vote "aye" for Motion #6 Amended 1ce. > > On Jan 16, 2018 10:58, "Creative Care Services" > wrote: > >> I hereby open voting on this proposal, as stated below. I'm sorry it is >> preceded by so many indents. Voting will close after that of Motions 4 a= nd >> 5 to allow voting sequentially, therefore it will be open at least throu= gh >> midnight of 1/20/18 GMT. >> >> .karis. >> >> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -= =E2=80=8B which >> will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possi= ble) enforce=E2=80=8B the official >> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id est: >> Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2= =80=8B >> or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for eit= her >> potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should be = so >> disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and n= ot >> pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the >> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does >> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendation= s >> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vac= uous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* bo= th >> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inf= erior to and >> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the L= LG >> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content whi= ch >> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may sea= rch >> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2= =80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any = such notice, >> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the LL= G, >> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2= =80=8B. >> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total righ= t of >> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or= works, as >> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its pu= rview; the >> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such do= es not >> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents = of this >> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whic= h >> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendric= al =E2=80=8Byears and six >> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe= dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B a= nd such >> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official act= ion of the >> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B a= nd become >> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rema= in active >> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and o= ther output=E2=80=8B (as >> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the = LLG=E2=80=8B >> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the esta= blishment and constitution >> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has= or >> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, = standards, >> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited b= y and devolved to >> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bm= embership of the >> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in = a manner which the LLG >> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall b= e >> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse = of >> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origina= l >> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership= ; all >> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public; >> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constituted= shall be >> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection = of >> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >> >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2018 09:50, "Creative Care Services" >> wrote: >> >> In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, >> included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that = he >> had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering >> here is listed below as number six. >> >> This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. >> >> .karis. >> >> >>> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >>> >>> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or >>> some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monit= or >>> social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, >>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way >>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logic= al >>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or >>> unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to >>> prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and n= ot >>> endorsed by the LLG.*"* >>> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >>> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, ju= st >>> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be g= ood >>> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >>> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >>> >>> *___* >>> >>> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >>> >>> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >>> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >>> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >>> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >>> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of th= e >>> same.*"* >>> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >>> >>> >> >> >> **** Here it is! **** >> >> >> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -= =E2=80=8B which >>> will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as poss= ible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official >>> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >>> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id >>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which s= hall search for >>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which sh= ould >>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate= , >>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to t= he >>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but doe= s >>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendatio= ns >>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, va= cuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* b= oth >>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be in= ferior to and >>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the = LLG >>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content wh= ich >>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may se= arch >>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any= such notice, >>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the L= LG, >>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total rig= ht of >>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods o= r works, as >>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its p= urview; the >>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such d= oes not >>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents= of this >>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whi= ch >>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendri= cal =E2=80=8Byears and six >>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bb= e dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B = and such >>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official ac= tion of the >>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B = and become >>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active >>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and = other output=E2=80=8B (as >>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the= LLG=E2=80=8B >>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the est= ablishment and constitution >>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which ha= s or >>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy,= standards, >>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited = by and devolved to >>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the >>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in= a manner which the LLG >>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall = be >>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse= of >>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origin= al >>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membershi= p; all >>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public= ; >>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitute= d shall be >>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection= of >>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> --001a1143ecca6046ca0562ebf2eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(For clarity: The motion which was originally, actually e= xplicitly included in this thread was Motion #6. Motion #6 Amended 1ce was = not so included.)

On Jan 16, 2018 16:55, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote = "nay" for Motion #6.
I vote "aye" for = Motion #6 Amended 1ce.

On Jan 16, 2018 10:58, "Creative Care Services" = <comcaresvcs@= gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>
I hereby open voting on this proposal, as stated bel= ow. I'm sorry it is preceded by so many indents. Voting will close afte= r that of Motions 4 and 5 to allow voting sequentially, therefore it will b= e open at least through midnight of 1/20/18 GMT.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

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=
Mot= ion 6: "(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the pas= sage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2= =80=8B and which shall search for either potential violations of the same o= r appropriate content which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any impl= emented policy or other mandate, and not pertaining to only websites or ent= ities or content subject to the aforementioned policies of the LLG); when i= t finds such content but does not have the authority to pursue such disclai= mer with respect to said content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation = and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion s= hall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if the afo= rementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BA= ll of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subsumed by that o= f the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it shall not n= otify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not subject to = or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for and review su= ch content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesi= red design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any= such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG dire= ctly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of members, numberin= g at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80= =8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band wor= k to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other = subjects, according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by= the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concretely establi= shed=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retai= n total right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibi= lity for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or= methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose= =E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organize itself and des= ign and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80= =8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B= , including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be compose= d on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 January or first 1 June = after its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall exist for = =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six = =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe di= ssolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinued in its entirety= , unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed i= n part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2= =80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and ot= her output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility o= f=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Ba= s =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (a= s appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the L= LG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon= the establishment and constitution of another body or organization under t= he authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonemptily in= tersects that of the body herein described (in which case, all aforemention= ed pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it unless otherwis= e specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body= =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manne= r which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determin= ed later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other selection and regulatio= n of its membership shall be under the primary authority and review of the = body itself, although any regular selection of new membership shall not occ= ur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years and six calendrical m= onths after the original establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection o= f its first membership; all membership applications and notice for such app= lication shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requirements for membership to t= he body shall be subject to review and change by the LLG and must be explic= itly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selecti= on of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein = constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part = of, the selection of its first membership.=E2=80=8B"


On Jan 5, 201= 8 09:50, "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition to the two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unoffici= al content, included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed = out that he had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are co= nsidering here is listed below as number six.

This motio= n is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0
.karis.=C2=A0

=
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Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences

=
Motion 4: "The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the = LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and mo= nitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, co= mmunities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any = way whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logic= al languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or u= nofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to prominently= display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by = the LLG."
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with= the original discussion which became a motion: "(I do not think that = we can enforce such requests, just make them. But having an official policy= about addressing them may be good and gives us some moral 'standing= 9;)"
=C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

___

Unofficialness Disclaimer

Motion 5: "= All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at leas= t, that the website is owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the = marked contents are not necessarily harmonized with the official design of = Lojban and may not reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official speci= fications of the same."
* Moved by me, seconded by at le= ast guskant and gleki.
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Motion 6: "There shall be =E2= =80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and = organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80= =8B which will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar a= s possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of= LLG policy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforeme= ntioned motion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5= ), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B o= r any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either = potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should be so = disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not = pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforement= ioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have th= e authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shal= l notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to suc= h=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B t= otally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0= (Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80= =8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subs= umed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and = it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is n= ot subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for= and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B= -=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement = =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead = of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of me= mbers, numbering at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8B= debate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, = =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and ent= ities and other subjects, according to its own discretion or explicit and d= irect command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are co= ncretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2= =80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and control over, but not nece= ssarily responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decis= ions or actions or methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its= domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organ= ize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, its external stan= dards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the decisions o= f the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The bod= y shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 Januar= y or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after which point i= t shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80= =8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bsha= ll =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinue= d in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expira= tion is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of th= e LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work= , decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the dire= ct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active a= nd valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other= output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG= =E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of another body = or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purv= iew which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which= case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decis= ions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved= to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80= =8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, w= hich shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other s= election and regulation of its membership shall be under the primary author= ity and review of the body itself, although any regular selection of new me= mbership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years= and six calendrical months after the original establishment of the body=E2= =80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership applications a= nd notice for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requiremen= ts for membership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the = LLG and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG= , prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The na= me of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or = prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership.=E2=80=8B"


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