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boundary="===============5797838801461226144==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5797838801461226144== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BLUPR10MB048221B1E6E99E0FBE54978AD2E90BLUPR10MB0482namp_" --_000_BLUPR10MB048221B1E6E99E0FBE54978AD2E90BLUPR10MB0482namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Motion #1: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support lo= glangs. It exactly defines "loglang" for the >purposes of this motion and t= he subsequent two separate motions. I vote Aye. >Motion #1 amended-version: Same as Motion #1 proper, except the definition= (really, a description) of "loglang" is >broader and left vague; the preci= ous criterion is sufficient here but would not necessarily be necessary. Th= is description >would propagate to the next two separate motions as well. I abstain, because it is too open-ended to be meaningful. >Motion #2: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support Lo= jban, regardless of its categorization >as a loglang according to any given= definition (particularly that of either version of Motion #1). Presumably,= we >would have to find some consensus on which Lojban is meant. I vote Nay. Lojban without logic is as good as dead. >Motion #3: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support th= e development of some loglang which >is derived from Lojban, where "loglang= " would align with the adopted version of Motion #1. I vote Aye. >Motion #4: Adopt a policy in which the LLG will search for so-called 'offi= cial-seeming' accounts and request that >the disclaim their lack of affilia= tion with the LLG and of support/grant of officialness therefrom. Exactly w= ho >would oversee this effort was not addressed. I abstain from this one because I don't understand what it is conveying. >Motion #5: Adopt a policy in which unofficial content on *.lojban.org will be disclaimed as such. Exactly who >would oversee this = effort was not addressed. I vote Aye. >Motion #6: Sets up a separate body in order to implement Motion #4 or Moti= on #5 (rather than leaving those >policies toothless or leaving them to the= LLG to directly oversee). The wording was a bit problematic in regard to >= which of those two motions would be covered by the body, but the intention = was to only implement those >policies which are adopted, if any. I abstain. >Motion #6 Amended 1ce: Same thing as Motion #6 proper in spirit, but with = the aforementioned wording >problem fixed, improved presentation/organizati= on, and some protections put in place in order address fears >and concerns = which had been raised. I vote Aye. --_000_BLUPR10MB048221B1E6E99E0FBE54978AD2E90BLUPR10MB0482namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Motion #1: Adopt the policy t= hat the LLG shall advocate for and support loglangs. It exactly defines &qu= ot;loglang" for the >purposes of this motion and the subsequent two= separate motions.


I vote Aye.

>Motion #1 amended-version: Same as Motion #1 proper, = except the definition (really, a description) of "loglang" is >= ;broader and left vague; the precious criterion is sufficient here but woul= d not necessarily be necessary. This description >would propagate to the next two separate motions as well.

I abstain, because it is too open-ended to be meaningful.

>Motion #2: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support Lojban, rega= rdless of its categorization >as a loglang according to any given defini= tion (particularly that of either version of Motion #1). Presumably, we >would have to find some consensus on which Lojban = is meant.

I vote Nay. Lojban without logic is as good as dead.

>Motion #3:&nbs= p;Adopt the policy that the L= LG shall advocate for and support the development of some loglang which >= ;is derived from Lojban, where "loglang" would align with the adopted version of Motion #1.

I vote Aye.

>Motion #4: Adopt a policy i= n which the LLG will search for so-called 'official-seeming' accounts and r= equest that >the disclaim their lack of affiliation with the LLG an= d of support/grant of officialness therefrom. Exactly who >would oversee this effort was not addressed.

I abstain from this one because I don't understand what it is conveying.
>Motion #5: Adopt a policy i= n which unofficial content on *.lojban.org will be disclaimed as such. Ex= actly who >would oversee this effort was not addressed.

I vote Aye. 

>Motion #6: Sets up a separa= te body in order to implement Motion #4 or Motion #5 (rather than leaving t= hose >policies toothless or leaving them to the LLG to directly oversee)= . The wording was a bit problematic in regard to >which of those two motions would be covered by the body, but the in= tention was to only implement those >policies which are adopted, if any.=

I abstain.

>Motion #6 Amended 1ce: Same= thing as Motion #6 proper in spirit, but with the aforementioned word= ing >problem fixed, improved presentation/organization, and some pr= otections put in place in order address fears >and concerns which had been raised.

I vote Aye.

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