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X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5979321402964307039==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5979321402964307039== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e387ea705870563051562" --f403045e387ea705870563051562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i'enai On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Curtis Franks wrote: > (For clarity: The motion which was originally, actually explicitly > included in this thread was Motion #6. Motion #6 Amended 1ce was not so > included.) > > On Jan 16, 2018 16:55, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > >> I vote "nay" for Motion #6. >> I vote "aye" for Motion #6 Amended 1ce. >> >> On Jan 16, 2018 10:58, "Creative Care Services" >> wrote: >> >>> I hereby open voting on this proposal, as stated below. I'm sorry it is >>> preceded by so many indents. Voting will close after that of Motions 4 = and >>> 5 to allow voting sequentially, therefore it will be open at least thro= ugh >>> midnight of 1/20/18 GMT. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished= =E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -= =E2=80=8B which >>> will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as poss= ible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official >>> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >>> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id >>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which s= hall search for >>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which sh= ould >>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate= , >>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to t= he >>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but doe= s >>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendatio= ns >>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, va= cuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* b= oth >>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be in= ferior to and >>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the = LLG >>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content wh= ich >>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may se= arch >>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any= such notice, >>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the L= LG, >>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total rig= ht of >>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods o= r works, as >>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its p= urview; the >>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such d= oes not >>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents= of this >>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whi= ch >>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendri= cal =E2=80=8Byears and six >>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bb= e dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B = and such >>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official ac= tion of the >>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B = and become >>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active >>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and = other output=E2=80=8B (as >>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the= LLG=E2=80=8B >>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the est= ablishment and constitution >>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which ha= s or >>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy,= standards, >>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited = by and devolved to >>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the >>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in= a manner which the LLG >>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall = be >>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse= of >>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origin= al >>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membershi= p; all >>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public= ; >>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitute= d shall be >>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection= of >>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2018 09:50, "Creative Care Services" >>> wrote: >>> >>> In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, >>> included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that= he >>> had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considerin= g >>> here is listed below as number six. >>> >>> This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> >>>> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >>>> >>>> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or >>>> some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and moni= tor >>>> social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, >>>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way >>>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logi= cal >>>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or >>>> unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to >>>> prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and = not >>>> endorsed by the LLG.*"* >>>> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >>>> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, j= ust >>>> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be = good >>>> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >>>> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >>>> >>>> *___* >>>> >>>> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >>>> >>>> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >>>> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >>>> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >>>> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >>>> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of t= he >>>> same.*"* >>>> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> **** Here it is! **** >>> >>> >>> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished= =E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG = -=E2=80=8B which >>>> will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as pos= sible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official >>>> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >>>> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id >>>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which = shall search for >>>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which s= hould >>>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandat= e, >>>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to = the >>>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but do= es >>>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendati= ons >>>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, v= acuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* = both >>>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be i= nferior to and >>>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the= LLG >>>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content w= hich >>>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may s= earch >>>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof an= y such notice, >>>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2= =80=8B. The body shall >>>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the = LLG, >>>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total ri= ght of >>>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, th= e >>>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods = or works, as >>>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its = purview; the >>>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such = does not >>>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the content= s of this >>>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 >>>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after wh= ich >>>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendr= ical =E2=80=8Byears and six >>>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8B= be dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B= and such >>>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official a= ction of the >>>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2= =80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B= and become >>>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and re= main active >>>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and= other output=E2=80=8B (as >>>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until th= e LLG=E2=80=8B >>>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the es= tablishment and constitution >>>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which h= as or >>>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy= , standards, >>>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited= by and devolved to >>>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80= =8Bmembership of the >>>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected i= n a manner which the LLG >>>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall= be >>>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although an= y >>>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elaps= e of >>>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origi= nal >>>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membersh= ip; all >>>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be publi= c; >>>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject t= o >>>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitut= ed shall be >>>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selectio= n of >>>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403045e387ea705870563051562 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
.i'enai

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
(For clarity: The motion which was originally, ac= tually explicitly included in this thread was Motion #6. Motion #6 Amended = 1ce was not so included.)

On Jan 16, 2018 16:55= , "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote "nay= " for Motion #6.
I vote "aye" for Motion #6= Amended 1ce.

On Jan 16, 2018 10:58, "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
I hereby open voting on this proposal, as stated below. I'm sorry = it is preceded by so many indents. Voting will close after that of Motions = 4 and 5 to allow voting sequentially, therefore it will be open at least th= rough midnight of 1/20/18 GMT.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

<= div>
Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Ba= uthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organiz= ed a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which= will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possibl= e) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of LLG poli= cy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforementioned m= otion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof= ,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search= for either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which s= hould be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other manda= te, and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to t= he aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does= not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said cont= ent, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations perta= ining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, an= d=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals= =C2=A0(Moti= on 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's author= ity shall be inferior to and subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bound= ed by such policy of the LLG and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate= any entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG p= olicy, although it may search for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will= regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, = usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or d= isclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shal= l consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body sh= all publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify = the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, according to its ow= n discretion or explicit and direct command by the LLG, as to its standards= and policies once such are concretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the bod= y is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total right of oversight an= d control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the body and any of= its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods or works, as well as= any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the= body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own inter= nal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not c= onflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of t= his motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 January or first 1 June after its first membership is= chosen, after which point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour = =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bm= onths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstitute= d,=E2=80=8B and discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extend= ed=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2= =80=8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (d= escribed previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2= =80=8B and become the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall p= ersist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, = work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the r= esponsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides= otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constit= ution of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which = has or shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body here= in described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, = standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inh= erited by and devolved to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the = =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted = =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2= =80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LL= G; thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall b= e under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any r= egular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of f= ully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the original es= tablishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membership; all= membership applications and notice for such application shall be public; e= ligibility=C2=A0requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to= review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with expl= icit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new membership of= the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constituted shall be determ= ined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection of its fi= rst membership.=E2=80=8B"


On Jan 5, 2018 09:50, "Creative Car= e Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition to the two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unofficial co= ntent, included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out t= hat he had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are conside= ring here is listed below as number six.

This motion is = now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0


Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences

Motion 4: "The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG= or some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monit= or social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, commu= nities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way= whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical = languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unof= ficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to prominently di= splay a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the= LLG."
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with th= e original discussion which became a motion: "(I do not think that we = can enforce such requests, just make them. But having an official policy ab= out addressing them may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')= "
=C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.
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U= nofficialness Disclaimer

Motion 5: "All= non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least= , that the website is owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the m= arked contents are not necessarily harmonized with the official design of L= ojban and may not reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specif= ications of the same."
* Moved by me, seconded by at lea= st guskant and gleki.
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Motion 6: "There shall be =E2= =80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and = organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80= =8B which will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar a= s possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of= LLG policy consistent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforeme= ntioned motion proposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5= ), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B o= r any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either = potential violations of the same or appropriate content which should be so = disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not = pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the aforement= ioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have th= e authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shal= l notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to suc= h=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B t= otally=E2=80=8B ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0= (Motion 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80= =8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subs= umed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and = it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is n= ot subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for= and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B= -=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement = =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead = of the LLG directly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of me= mbers, numbering at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8B= debate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, = =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and ent= ities and other subjects, according to its own discretion or explicit and d= irect command by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are co= ncretely established=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2= =80=8B shall retain total right of oversight and control over, but not nece= ssarily responsibility for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decis= ions or actions or methods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its= domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organ= ize itself and design and enforce its own internal rules, its external stan= dards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such does not conflict with the decisions o= f the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The bod= y shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 Januar= y or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after which point i= t shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80= =8Byears and six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bsha= ll =E2=80=8Bbe dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinue= d in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expira= tion is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of th= e LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work= , decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the dire= ct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active a= nd valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other= output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG= =E2=80=8B until the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the establishment and constitution of another body = or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purv= iew which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein described (in which= case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decis= ions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved= to it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80= =8Bselected in a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, w= hich shall be determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other s= election and regulation of its membership shall be under the primary author= ity and review of the body itself, although any regular selection of new me= mbership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years= and six calendrical months after the original establishment of the body=E2= =80=8B and selection of its first membership; all membership applications a= nd notice for such application shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requiremen= ts for membership to the body shall be subject to review and change by the = LLG and must be explicitly established, with explicit permission of the LLG= , prior to the selection of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The na= me of the body herein constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or = prior to, and as part of, the selection of its first membership.=E2=80=8B"


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