Received: from localhost ([::1]:57818 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ecm9B-0002hE-Qk; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:56:57 -0800 Received: from mail-vk0-f44.google.com ([209.85.213.44]:40145) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ecm8e-0002fF-Pu for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:56:26 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w75so2201529vkd.7 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:56:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hOI5XZFe9wkWLmXYFwfVvvbfpL0q7O9d2KEjpK9+ybM=; b=LntwaPD/6xpsmnBJAUa0/vLwjyPyAtGM+BNPkphWx/rP6wKwKDokfFy87n+Q+gyOz7 k8YhUBIWrNSCNf17xzUNzj80mXaI3hU7jNlI1VgtEvF1kB8FZvMjjt0//Eu6+W1GlFll bV55SNRX4oXCc6tpPiPf/HlXgxMwEZOdimKye5qQLwQSacYSCqNglyr3oCoMHBJAJ0YF /jikJSAL4HvgxbtnNnwOp4QXUtdAwQ/ZS+u0V2g2KO077P02brqSPy+cxIKqlSbj5HVd MxWXNgbGVhDFMtt/kH8uGeHX0sc2EZiFRg432K4ULzsIJJXtMxm22XBEtM+hGYwFYrx1 NL0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hOI5XZFe9wkWLmXYFwfVvvbfpL0q7O9d2KEjpK9+ybM=; b=HloMgvqswHXFNs9RVya9ReR8GRsSztIfQ6dfCktFx/IxSbA6EIVD5me1DEsmZoGOkR JhSxzzHZMHLEspSZUBAOm/I+AjqzA9ceTiffu0pBUBrhM8Qi7RosIyCTJPzlbIyyKQJ+ SBNLNpr/5YaA5VMfwKSUHgyfFodBIUuJVdGSAlCXv4Dn+rw+g1FUj1zWkzdEPsFniGT8 GfpDlcR32ZEVLbcH4IHO5IKsMUnrhWT/MYXVy2ZUJlKsVp/G0mzgstUuGmDCTUuGE2MW fyniZECYQPLuLS0fnFhhqWHHhFfUUquRx0tgDhROgVxwTbJipR6V9m7gecMLxuIaR8rK 5Fmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdm043fa1YGl6iOWMa7DoNo6JoWpiN8If00QjOsAEbPwp9etmPk 6YO4zUXMEVCJiXoJ3hPENqnlIKnRLMXp3dlQI7Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226nkOj6htyV7B5gKXtcbSUHA7GbeoCkn1PY+iIdbvtpFM98qV2MP5INRDHLEM9pIXwzODCm7LmuBK9Q41f35UU= X-Received: by 10.31.5.203 with SMTP id 194mr539221vkf.59.1516427777768; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:56:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.63.12 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.159.63.12 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <415C970B-FE34-45F4-85EA-58923A0489E0@gmail.com> References: <4734149.Ac4Tda036i@caracal> <415C970B-FE34-45F4-85EA-58923A0489E0@gmail.com> From: Creative Care Services Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 00:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion proposal - Unofficialness Disclaimer X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0923857132592382035==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0923857132592382035== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1143d9260584c305632edbe1" --001a1143d9260584c305632edbe1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Riley has said, there is much room to discuss how On Jan 19, 2018 19:24, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" wrote: > I vote no on this motion, which I understand to be numbered as 5. > > I=E2=80=99d like to add that I would like to work on distinguishing the o= fficial > publications of LLG from content which is not official, and that I think > that adding a disclaimer to web pages is not an adequate solution. As > guskant has pointed out, there are other channels that someone who is not > overly familiar with lojban or LLG might confuse with official organs of > LLG. > > I get the firm impression that there is a consensus to address this issue= , > which is to say, while opinions vary about how grave the problem is, I ha= ve > yet to hear an argument that we should leave things exactly as they are. = I > think that we can do better than formal resolutions that originate in the > course of a confusing email discussion, and if I am wrong and we can=E2= =80=99t, > it=E2=80=99s possible to legislate later, once we understand why it=E2=80= =99s necessary to > do it that way. > > =E2=80=94Riley > > On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Adam Lopresto wrote= : > > I vote Nay. > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:11 PM Creative Care Services < > comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I now open this topic to a vote on the following proposal: >> >> All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must contain a >> disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and managed by >> voluntary >> >> people, and that the marked contents are not necessarily harmonized with >> the official design of Lojban and may not reflect, let alone perfectly >> comply with, official specifications of the same. >> >> Voting will be closed no sooner than noon on January 16, 2018 GMT. >> >> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Curtis Franks >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2018 03:20, "Creative Care Services" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, Pierre. >>>> >>>> We now have a motion on the floor that has been made and seconded. I >>>> ask that all discussion of this motion, and only such discussion take = place >>>> in this thread. As a point, since we have people in attendance who are= not >>>> officially members I am making it clear that anyone can make comments,= post >>>> ideas, respond to ideas and proposals, and ask questions. We appreciat= e >>>> your interest. >>>> >>>> Discussion will be open until 12:00 noon GMT on January 9, 2018, or >>>> until it appears to me that the discussion is no longer active before = then. >>>> Other discussions will continue in other threads. Because my intent is= to >>>> complete this meeting fairly soon without having to push topics to the= next >>>> meeting just because of time I would like to carry out similar process= es in >>>> parallel I ask for a ruling on the appropriatness of such action. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> .karis. >>>> >>>> On Jan 5, 2018 02:11, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 5, 2018 1:46:41 AM EST Creative Care Services wrote= : >>>> > Ok, with multiple seconds it is necessary to clarify which motion we >>>> will >>>> > be voting on and whether at least one second is specifically for tha= t >>>> > motion. >>>> > >>>> > I therefore am restating what the first motion was : >>>> > >>>> > Curtis moved that, " I move that: All non-official pages or content >>>> on *. >>>> > lojban.org must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the >>>> website is >>>> > owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents >>>> are not >>>> > necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may no= t >>>> > reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of >>>> the >>>> > same." >>>> > >>>> > Is there a second for this only? >>>> >>>> I second this. >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a1143d9260584c305632edbe1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As Riley has said, there is much room to discuss how=C2= =A0

On Jan 1= 9, 2018 19:24, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I v= ote no on this motion, which I understand to be numbered as 5.
I=E2=80=99d like to add that I would like to work on distingui= shing the official publications of LLG from content which is not official, = and that I think that adding a disclaimer to web pages is not an adequate s= olution. As guskant has pointed out, there are other channels that someone = who is not overly familiar with lojban or LLG might confuse with official o= rgans of LLG.

I get the firm impression that there= is a consensus to address this issue, which is to say, while opinions vary= about how grave the problem is, I have yet to hear an argument that we sho= uld leave things exactly as they are. I think that we can do better than fo= rmal resolutions that originate in the course of a confusing email discussi= on, and if I am wrong and we can=E2=80=99t, it=E2=80=99s possible to legisl= ate later, once we understand why it=E2=80=99s necessary to do it that way.=

=E2=80=94Riley

On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Adam Lopresto <adamlopresto@gmail.co= m> wrote:

I vote Nay.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:11 PM Creative Care Services &= lt;comcaresvcs@g= mail.com> wrote:
I now open this topic to a vote on the following proposal:

All non-official= pages or content on *.lojban.org=C2= =A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned a= nd managed by voluntary
=
people, and that the marked contents are= not necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not = reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the sa= me.

<= div>Voting will be = closed no sooner than noon on January 16, 2018 GMT.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at= 1:20 AM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> = wrote:

On Jan 5, 2018 03:20, "Creative Care Services&= quot; <comcar= esvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Pierre.

=
We now have a motion on the floor that has been made and = seconded. I ask that all discussion of this motion, and only such discussio= n take place in this thread. As a point, since we have people in attendance= who are not officially members I am making it clear that anyone can make c= omments, post ideas, respond to ideas and proposals, and ask questions. We = appreciate your interest.=C2=A0

Discussion will be open until 12:00 noon GMT on January 9, 2018, = or until it appears to me that the discussion is no longer active before th= en. Other discussions will continue in other threads. Because my intent is = to complete this meeting fairly soon without having to push topics to the n= ext meeting just because of time I would like to carry out similar processe= s in parallel I ask for a ruling on the appropriatness of such action.=C2= =A0

Thank you.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

On Jan 5, 2018 02:11, "Pier= re Abbat" <p= hma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Friday, January 5, = 2018 1:46:41 AM EST Creative Care Services wrote:
> Ok, with multiple seconds it is necessary to clarify which motion we w= ill
> be voting on and whether at least one second is specifically for that<= br> > motion.
>
> I therefore am restating what the first motion was :
>
> Curtis moved that, " I move that: All non-official pages or conte= nt on *.
> lojban.org must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the we= bsite is
> owned and managed by voluntary peo= ple, and that the marked contents are not
> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not<= br> > reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of t= he
> same."
>
> Is there a second for this only?

I second this.

Pierre

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