Received: from localhost ([::1]:56658 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1egfqT-0002qY-IY; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:01:45 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f170.google.com ([209.85.161.170]:34148) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1egfpw-0002pU-JS for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:01:14 -0800 Received: by mail-yw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id t201so6183406ywf.1 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:01:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jm6lOHIPXZzfeDXVznTu5idiQMd2keIg6Yq++jmdEj4=; b=o4uPCGM7NyojQvcs+aibQ45HsIubrDyexX2FBjVXt1SUZJrTYHT/q2j4lgPIzoc/JS JYI2Iqk8hP+xcC2xQHPiU6Q+gR9UjLQNCyNJPzPMR75ZZYnUgENNAxMkl17S7a/OA69p V725dnbSopKKhiDGdDnD28XjHuSm0nqRNl6uglwMXKWQDL7ACInX79+wyJWY/xKBNFdM g7qcrM/XDDS7SvctbL7Urc4bQzH5Bindi/gfm6L7p7vuahzeRqFkz+S6d0hny+DF9L+e U/XvcnxkXOhcaYrXpYtE03qaB4idiQdFcE01t06lOpggoX+HMGn8K/U56Sg4v40k5tey nHuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=jm6lOHIPXZzfeDXVznTu5idiQMd2keIg6Yq++jmdEj4=; b=dlp9dRJEjE3ew5snGtmIioa80M5Lr/OQBk8Dq5welvgw3szdqkkZf7uLlqWd34fsKh qRM4iZKvdROW+Ggjt0H6jcYSD8lo12rq+4WNmziRsQ4RfeTXuCgiddwFmIVXW3IL8U8o 0lBFNu/nzbsJkJ6ujyKlKiW2MKEwEBc1EpUxuNoxoyH995cUJ1rpcrLnyOEmehQBv7xZ mrKSH7Bt/UqxpSJbPIjcfvF7xZuH83INgu/LjUP9rQMdZ9DFnWdeGSlR7Ket3LNNMolJ e6c4keBhH364zA46bHVqnEme7lfONfNNTtfTe6icpabVylQjf7/rGKhmtYUM1wxCWQIk aBug== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfpf0XuOadDU9FLvOzIsJrMmTq4mXNqFlAyBsyaXKe42kZpJ/+u Hofo2Vl+oS5PnaZ4OeT5KUSfVdK/QGGjltpR9+E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226odJrMGCxx/MXJ2/K8maqiHc2ZGY3Ly9f4z+4TOh1/cKKK8qhNVPpXvtlAJKpl638Ffm+Ha/9rFyytw6SzTns= X-Received: by 10.37.185.199 with SMTP id y7mr3646256ybj.371.1517356865494; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:01:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.208.9 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:00:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motions regarding LLG goals X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3245458811221802475==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3245458811221802475== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043dfc50f723960564072c22" --f403043dfc50f723960564072c22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was a fair amount of discussion and some voting, I think, in the other two threads. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > As I have seen almost no discussion on these three proposals, I am that > anyone with something to say on the matter post it here. The seconds are > included and I'll repost the only comment that was attached > > .karis. > > On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 AM, "Creative Care Services" > wrote: > > Curtis has made three related movements, all seconded (without the > amendment Curtis made to number 3) by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specifically > had not included Curtis' amendment to number 3, that motion does not > include the amendment I request that Curtis make this amendment as an add > on if he still wants it included > > > Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the LLG (coequal > with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration and promoti= on > of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following definitional > framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable (i.e. > linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argument > structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. loglang= ) > is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an > unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' > property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to > phonological form and from phonological form to PAS.) > > > Seconded. > > > Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other > principal goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a > logical language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG. > > > I likewise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in my > immediately previous motion in this message. > > > Seconded. > > > Motion 3. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other > principal goals) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical > language. > > > Seconded. > > My second does not include Curtis' amendment, because I consider the > definition of loglanghood given by And adequate knowledge mmm ias is. A > language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) requirements is not a > logical language ("loglang"). > > M BMW ;:=C5=84 > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403043dfc50f723960564072c22 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There was a fair amount of discussion and some voting, I thi= nk, in the other two threads.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Creative Care Serv= ices <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
As I have seen almost no discussion on the= se three proposals, I am that anyone with something to say on the matter po= st it here. The seconds are included and I'll repost the only comment t= hat was attached

.karis.

On Jan= 5, 2018 4:21 AM, "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrot= e:
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Curtis has made three related movements, all seconded= (without the amendment Curtis made to number 3) by Selpa'i. Since Selp= a'i specifically=C2=A0 had not included Curtis' amendment to number= 3, that motion does not include the amendment I request that Curtis make t= his amendment as an add on if he still wants it included


Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the LLG= (coequal with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration and= promotion of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following defi= nitional framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable (i= .e. linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argument = structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. loglang) = is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an unlimi= ted number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' proper= ty. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to phonologic= al form and from phonological form to PAS.)

Secon= ded.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mot= ion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals)= is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a logical language) as= defined by documents endorsed by the LLG.


I likewise (same word= ing) so move, with terms as described in my immediately previous motion in = this message.

Seconded.


=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Motion 3. A principal goal of the= LLG (coequal with any other principal goals) is creation of a Lojban deriv= ative that is a logical language.=C2=A0

Seconded.=

My second does not include Curtis' amendment, because I = consider the definition of loglanghood given by And adequate knowledge mmm = ias is. A language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) requirements i= s not a logical language ("loglang").
M BMW ;:=C5=84

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