Received: from localhost ([::1]:60046 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eiZ5V-0004id-Tk; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:13:05 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f180.google.com ([209.85.217.180]:34200) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eiZ4z-0004gj-4s for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:12:34 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f180.google.com with SMTP id g5so6136314uac.1 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:12:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0vNohjkrRIY3Ug4k9TU8r0QEgKMGw9FETzCa6sKnJ/g=; b=ZQjt3hdxqQSkKOcO7lpepRn4+oEZe37FPVq6jpK44G168U+JgIXkt9tlRFdz+uI/DB ZYiHHQEGTZ4ebTBhjWmSWd41Vmzd4HaI09KlURuqhUDVBLT6UkfqbT2Fe09B2wn7afOF 2AuM1+j5cjRK7gXOw2mu/3ZAUnVN/LyLFB1KeFkwjBRFo1MsUhj/Z+ej5ggpaFn1uViR 0e4dECT7BLAi5eKTTtgGgG3RZoVIsTllkKtFx5hpyqfTGWpsoHvEYAPREqZR5HVAaVMK f23dnB9aLmMwo7FaR/MnQ1EFsSelCPjW8OHgYJrL5wq+yAv6GoKaDs74Ey+E8htq14gs BpxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0vNohjkrRIY3Ug4k9TU8r0QEgKMGw9FETzCa6sKnJ/g=; b=G+Bi70O6muil2CZOygDi2gQ8iMdkRiomqKf9hD2tuULMTCjtQcL4BlDqUChy3FgLkt UgTFXLQJdzdw6i4Y+EPLl7/KpaOmbm1A+04sDGG72vmARkHh4tyFyq+BS6JNS5hwp8xc ll4vdqgpGw1MmzNcK8ntC6OqRgAZnJoX0u91WN6WupnT3s54sA8nBf+Ea/K2lQu6E/oR XR4IFYujxZLFxQCoa3NKkFzTXnja/Zr6/sz4TGZQNexgEj1sADdC8SqcqUmNzIk0qRzk 7JoVZ1hxQqCjq8XsSLdAFTwlz++twimxPfOXxvquSniinspf7wpXnvuLdc76Y5Dp1K7P btlQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAnKCi+r2w3OJRJw+BFFA61h+3GecjmRNc1vPzcnaZyioOGg3Sr kj9Iqr8H4N8PeGfxc79R30t6/IbSZODlOFzmExQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224br7vS3vh3z8jnUZi0eH2ycQv77DkiZJYC47k40KCEgcCifCLSX8tCB8EzJkgDYxmqFlE53lB/IQVGImIKv6Y= X-Received: by 10.176.24.161 with SMTP id t33mr9031351uag.118.1517807545912; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:12:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.63.12 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 21:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.159.63.12 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 21:12:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Creative Care Services Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 00:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motions regarding LLG goals X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8163091173652844369==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8163091173652844369== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f40304379cb09c94b00564701b3d" --f40304379cb09c94b00564701b3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would you mind including links for those who may have gotten lost, Curtis (or anyone else)? I don't have an easy way to get them as I'm stuck on just my phone at the moment while I spend my days helping my father take care of my mother. Thank you, .karis. On Jan 30, 2018 19:01, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > There was a fair amount of discussion and some voting, I think, in the > other two threads. > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Creative Care Services < > comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > >> As I have seen almost no discussion on these three proposals, I am that >> anyone with something to say on the matter post it here. The seconds are >> included and I'll repost the only comment that was attached >> >> .karis. >> >> On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 AM, "Creative Care Services" >> wrote: >> >> Curtis has made three related movements, all seconded (without the >> amendment Curtis made to number 3) by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specificall= y >> had not included Curtis' amendment to number 3, that motion does not >> include the amendment I request that Curtis make this amendment as an ad= d >> on if he still wants it included >> >> >> Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the LLG (coequal >> with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration and promot= ion >> of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following definitional >> framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable (i.e. >> linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argument >> structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. loglan= g) >> is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an >> unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' >> property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to >> phonological form and from phonological form to PAS.) >> >> >> Seconded. >> >> >> Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other >> principal goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a >> logical language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG. >> >> >> I likewise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in my >> immediately previous motion in this message. >> >> >> Seconded. >> >> >> Motion 3. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other >> principal goals) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical >> language. >> >> >> Seconded. >> >> My second does not include Curtis' amendment, because I consider the >> definition of loglanghood given by And adequate knowledge mmm ias is. A >> language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) requirements is not a >> logical language ("loglang"). >> >> M BMW ;:=C5=84 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f40304379cb09c94b00564701b3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would you mind including links for those who may have got= ten lost, Curtis (or anyone else)? I don't have an easy way to get them= as I'm stuck on just my phone at the moment while I spend my days help= ing my father take care of my mother.=C2=A0

Thank you,
.karis.=C2=A0

On Jan 30, 2018 19:= 01, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a fair amount of discussi= on and some voting, I think, in the other two threads.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:= 50 PM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wr= ote:
As I have seen alm= ost no discussion on these three proposals, I am that anyone with something= to say on the matter post it here. The seconds are included and I'll r= epost the only comment that was attached

.karis.

On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 AM, "Creative Care Services"= ; <comcaresvc= s@gmail.com> wrote:
Curtis h= as made three related movements, all seconded (without the amendment Curtis= made to number 3) by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specifically=C2=A0 had= not included Curtis' amendment to number 3, that motion does not inclu= de the amendment I request that Curtis make this amendment as an add on if = he still wants it included


Motion 1. The LLG shall ado= pt, as a principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals)= , the intention of exploration and promotion of logical language(s) in gene= ral, subject to the following definitional framework and description: Presu= pposing that everything effable (i.e. linguistically expressible) can be re= presented as a predicate-argument structure (PAS), a logical language (in t= he technical sense, i.e. loglang) is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously= bidirectionally encodes an unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some a= s the 'monoparsing' property. The relevant bidirectionality is conv= ersion both from PAS to phonological form and from phonological form to PAS= .)

Seconded.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequ= al with any other principal goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of it= s status as a logical language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG= .


I likewise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in = my immediately previous motion in this message.

S= econded.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0= Motion 3. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal go= als) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical language.=C2=A0

Seconded.

My second does not include= Curtis' amendment, because I consider the definition of loglanghood gi= ven by And adequate knowledge mmm ias is. A language that does not fulfill = those (fundamental) requirements is not a logical language ("loglang&q= uot;).
M BMW ;:= =C5=84
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