Received: from localhost ([::1]:50514 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esD5C-0007ll-61; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:44:38 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f182.google.com ([209.85.161.182]:38820) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esD4f-0007kX-7B for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:44:06 -0800 Received: by mail-yw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id b70so4428924ywh.5 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:44:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=icb7nwkN9zmtPzMQwqZX6FL/5f6gbMOE/ieOfAStPXM=; b=FCK7RL84AAF879kMuJdHW0g11hKqBDQZhVvacxLf6UosDcHYVPqAGRlxAC3O/ZIZg/ ZQ0hoEXrpSEmVcs6swPkzGvtq39sj8khJOrMOxK/6NAWblio6moQ8XDVknaCxgByI7H9 ftThvULf1e8Kx5xWvGlbWOX9L+QPmzFCSCfoYqxDmLrdDTk/FPM3magJrBDTXKprS8VU 6ESAqTMLOKpVILteRlsGGDl3g6V8CUqDJHNx+RVsdboJi+cYbxeRVjxuSJxp9k7/7+mb 2AEjwevb81lKHURvvyImTB9hKaaOPLX0ZfLuo9mAk3f1zHDdXrjxqfwtP7VE96zptPIG 1hdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=icb7nwkN9zmtPzMQwqZX6FL/5f6gbMOE/ieOfAStPXM=; b=q+blaJ901uIqBbQvjp8mL1YHQLwNYV9Hya4FHnCzh3R2GeZUOoRxyThXe6xWH5kxEL zr5r/TTnZXQotJmQwSWV4MQ9m8IVcfFKu5ogbwgr8lzALZDIfwIQMYJilgpzFxvVHjoN IwCYeUrxskULNxoDR0Tk/iouRVxIK3bcMMSZkm/LXBi8yqQafaw2AiX+8D6dvr3uz3nf 4cXgZfJ0JC4r8uKuoPeJTVg9XMsdEfsh5oppM04vsB/yxjp2pSje01OQJa60LgOWzJBX GdAQU78MjkP8F/9s0SxnXAAC+1sLTABOlGpunTQKolDMpP/BwhA2cYynakWDzSJNhII9 KsYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7FcPysQxrtZk7nKp7s0GfA6zQYbFR0fDXJ+OmkIRG+9k3gbwFnY z4jVKHnZQmlicuIhzbKTQOiXwljD7vzZ9v0wsqhC1Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvcmKMyK+oCTNNtzghIpMzHhRmSTza5uSgaj06h2c2RFpOEE3f91ptnKd+RVaaTgp9BUoVmrj1gKX+sjr9tQu8= X-Received: by 10.129.75.14 with SMTP id y14mr5925318ywa.217.1520106238204; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:43:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:c903:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:43:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motions regarding LLG goals X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6592958366274845993==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6592958366274845993== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f276259614c0566875066" --001a113f276259614c0566875066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not sure how to link to them but here is a subset of the threads (represented by keywords in their subject lines; mostly in reverse chronological order of last message; each line which follows in this message should be considered to be quoted): Motions regarding LLG goals Lojban account request Voting Motion proposal - Unofficialness Disclaimer Vote : Proposal 6 for a Body to Investigate Officialness of Other Sites, Etc. Vote : Proposal 4 - Search Online Summary of Votes Unfinished Business: BPFK Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences Proposal : Investigation of Unofficialness Unfinished Business: Providing Timely Materials Proposal : selpa'i for chair Proposal : selpa'i for chair (results) old business: dictionary, chrestomathy Missing proposals? Unfinished Business: Elephant Unfinished Business: Elephant Unfinished Business: BPFK procedures Unfinished Business Unfinished Business: Website, etc On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > Would you mind including links for those who may have gotten lost, Curtis > (or anyone else)? I don't have an easy way to get them as I'm stuck on ju= st > my phone at the moment while I spend my days helping my father take care = of > my mother. > > Thank you, > .karis. > > On Jan 30, 2018 19:01, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > >> There was a fair amount of discussion and some voting, I think, in the >> other two threads. >> >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Creative Care Services < >> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> As I have seen almost no discussion on these three proposals, I am that >>> anyone with something to say on the matter post it here. The seconds ar= e >>> included and I'll repost the only comment that was attached >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 AM, "Creative Care Services" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Curtis has made three related movements, all seconded (without the >>> amendment Curtis made to number 3) by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specifical= ly >>> had not included Curtis' amendment to number 3, that motion does not >>> include the amendment I request that Curtis make this amendment as an a= dd >>> on if he still wants it included >>> >>> >>> Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the LLG (coequal >>> with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration and promo= tion >>> of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following definitiona= l >>> framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable (i.e. >>> linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argument >>> structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. logla= ng) >>> is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an >>> unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' >>> property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to >>> phonological form and from phonological form to PAS.) >>> >>> >>> Seconded. >>> >>> >>> Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other >>> principal goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a >>> logical language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG. >>> >>> >>> I likewise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in my >>> immediately previous motion in this message. >>> >>> >>> Seconded. >>> >>> >>> Motion 3. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other >>> principal goals) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical >>> language. >>> >>> >>> Seconded. >>> >>> My second does not include Curtis' amendment, because I consider the >>> definition of loglanghood given by And adequate knowledge mmm ias is. A >>> language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) requirements is not = a >>> logical language ("loglang"). >>> >>> M BMW ;:=C5=84 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a113f276259614c0566875066 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not sure how to link to them but here is a = subset of the threads (represented by keywords in their subject lines; most= ly in reverse chronological order of last message; each line which follows = in this message should be considered to be quoted):

Motions regarding LLG goals

<= div class=3D"gmail_default">Lojban ac= count request

Voting

Motion proposal - Unofficia= lness Disclaimer

Vote : Proposal 6 for a Body to Investigate O= fficialness of Other Sites, Etc.
<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">
Vote : Proposal 4 - Search On= line

Summary of Votes

Unfinished Business: BPFK

Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences

Propo= sal : Investigation of Unofficialness

Unfinished Business: Pro= viding Timely Materials

<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">Proposal : selpa'i for chair
<= br>
Proposal : selpa'i for chair (results)

<= div class=3D"gmail_default">old busin= ess: dictionary, chrestomathy

Missing proposals?
<= div class=3D"gmail_default">
= Unfinished Business: Elephant

Unfinished Business: Elephant
Unfinished Business: BPFK procedures

Unfinished Bus= iness

Unfinished Business: Website, etc

On Mon, Feb 5, = 2018 at 12:12 AM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Would y= ou mind including links for those who may have gotten lost, Curtis (or anyo= ne else)? I don't have an easy way to get them as I'm stuck on just= my phone at the moment while I spend my days helping my father take care o= f my mother.=C2=A0

Thank you,<= /div>
.karis.=C2=A0

On J= an 30, 2018 19:01, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrot= e:
=
Th= ere was a fair amount of discussion and some voting, I think, in the other = two threads.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Creative Care Services <comcar= esvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
As I have seen almost no discussion on these three proposals= , I am that anyone with something to say on the matter post it here. The se= conds are included and I'll repost the only comment that was attached
.karis.

On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 AM, = "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
Curtis has made three related= movements, all seconded (without the amendment Curtis made to number 3) by= Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specifically=C2=A0 had not included Curtis&= #39; amendment to number 3, that motion does not include the amendment I re= quest that Curtis make this amendment as an add on if he still wants it inc= luded


<= blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,= 204,204);padding-left:1ex">Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal go= al of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals), the intention of ex= ploration and promotion of logical language(s) in general, subject to the f= ollowing definitional framework and description: Presupposing that everythi= ng effable (i.e. linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predic= ate-argument structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i= .e. loglang) is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally enco= des an unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsin= g' property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS = to phonological form and from phonological form to PAS.)
Seconded.


=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other pr= incipal goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a logica= l language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG.


I likew= ise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in my immediately previ= ous motion in this message.

Seconded.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Motion 3. A princip= al goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals) is creation of = a Lojban derivative that is a logical language.=C2=A0

<= /div>Seconded.

My second does not include Curtis' amendme= nt, because I consider the definition of loglanghood given by And adequate = knowledge mmm ias is. A language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) = requirements is not a logical language ("loglang").
M BMW ;:= =C5=84
<= /div>

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