Received: from localhost ([::1]:50650 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esDCb-00084c-CW; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:52:17 -0800 Received: from mail-yb0-f169.google.com ([209.85.213.169]:44010) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esDC5-00083M-JU for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:51:46 -0800 Received: by mail-yb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u8-v6so4504208ybo.10 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:51:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=U0De0G9ZBZXBt61Y+zxyqbFHq++arPzcJaEsMAED4Ao=; b=X8mAasjcIK4KSLbNc6uOcfHF29QBzYE5oknhkMs1iRmd2HKZWs1xAAL3FQhMZlJiiA 68blYOoTpWoLGunMXg/ywJf0/qK6GEfeBQBMzcvuYNF9GGXeogzcOZRTOigVppcJzXn2 LG6kfRP1pJOGfwNnHHNbuyJhARD6cKV9qGstLvtnuPf+w4VeRxXjTscMgEmpVmDuIuWv aUwEYf4ekhiCOrQjVE0dxKvEAccSzpfGQPoJ2oE2ffERWthrGlJtgS7FoasuDzMHlAxA QpOCX4K37e3mTsuF57IRjCnJVGTWVVGG76XzqFleEwy08Iv3WwwxiQyX6jEgALdY7tl5 wNyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=U0De0G9ZBZXBt61Y+zxyqbFHq++arPzcJaEsMAED4Ao=; b=gQ5JPajCDgfdgqYrrlR+THr2S8V8p01XGGurOaWDDYVbXLbD2ZE+O0nTKLrlXugJF9 AXKSK/DRohc16bQQgRMUXr3cQsKTY7A0+sfXK+jCpJpj9iW4PXbSlsGkOSAEFU0WBAqE xPypUODhC1+NC9oL7OMEE0abOSNgrZfm8zurV7tPmS95mkZjK0NLtioyUjSGyYh1pIy9 t3dJnM6UeAtVkP23jvROL+u/TmPCeUVZXhUW86XPhxyxtlEtGCSyYxCMwNrYVxwwLoWB YdiLz9V6wXUBrSRKnbdfprtQwbEzL6lHP0v/3okouq7OiBiM+WuDg5piiuEGcCs9Bycu EbGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPBSViqSHfgmXhiPYttyD1pZSZ5wkVH+94KlyjyEJLcuUh38lWy7 MJaZuSMl69LPPmfvfUj05OXz4PSzEQwmNhDXZb0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuBcvhwt8FaftvOSO0brUTvmsTuJuhvkCSySeMVE2vja5fPiXTjf0uZ8aeu4jvstdinsKxSUKqbtfHDu5Egvf8= X-Received: by 2002:a25:2e41:: with SMTP id b1-v6mr6293393ybn.300.1520106699276; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:51:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:c903:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:50:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3b9cd3a6-a94d-dac4-1e57-4addec5fe792@lojban.org> From: Curtis Franks Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Meeting over? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2361330123911657416==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2361330123911657416== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d4c7520566876bf2" --000000000000d4c7520566876bf2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" We should keep a Google Sheet for each meeting which is editable for/by any of us and which organizes conversations, motion proposals, and votes each separately - and specifies at what URL they may be found and what their current status is (ongoing or concluded). Revision history is automatically recorded by Google, too; so, vandalism would be able to be caught and controlled. (Other benefits exist as well). On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you, lojbab. > > As soon as I can spend an hour or so I'll go through and sort out the > votes. > > .karis. > > On Feb 28, 2018 16:16, "Bob LeChevalier" wrote: > >> On 2/27/2018 10:03 PM, Creative Care Services wrote: >> >>> Another question: What is proper procedure when several people have >>> voted and there is silence from everyone else? Does it all depend on what >>> the quorum number is? >>> >> >> I believe that if there is already a quorum established before the vote, >> then if you allow a reasonable time period in which people should vote, >> then that the end of that time period, you can determine the result based >> on those who have already voted, even if there is only 1 vote (every one >> else is presumed to have abstained). >> >> A new quorum check can be called for, if you or some member doesn't think >> that a quorum is currently attending the meeting. But I suspect that is >> not really the problem. Rather I think that most members who have been >> silent either do not understand that there is a vote in progress and/or >> don't have an opinion on the issue being voted on. >> >> In the last several meetings I held several votes on motions, in which >> only a few people actually voted. Indeed, if there seemed to be no >> opposition to a motion (based on discussion), I would announce the voting >> period with a statement that "if there is no objection by such and such a >> time, I will rule that the motion has been adopted". (I use that for most >> motions in the Board meetings.) >> >> lojbab >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --000000000000d4c7520566876bf2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We should keep a Google Sheet for each meeting which is edit= able for/by any of us and which organizes conversations, motion proposals, = and votes each separately - and specifies at what URL they may be found and= what their current status is (ongoing or concluded).

Revision h= istory is automatically recorded by Google, too; so, vandalism would be abl= e to be caught and controlled. (Other benefits exist as well).
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On Thu, Mar 1, 201= 8 at 12:41 AM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you,= lojbab.

As soon as I can spen= d an hour or so I'll go through and sort out the votes.=C2=A0

.karis.

On Feb 28, 2018 16:16, "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote= :
On 2/27/2018 10:03= PM, Creative Care Services wrote:
Another question: What is proper procedure when several people have voted a= nd there is silence from everyone else? Does it all depend on what the quor= um number is?

I believe that if there is already a quorum established before the vote, th= en if you allow a reasonable time period in which people should vote, then = that the end of that time period, you can determine the result based on tho= se who have already voted, even if there is only 1 vote (every one else is = presumed to have abstained).

A new quorum check can be called for, if you or some member doesn't thi= nk that a quorum is currently attending the meeting.=C2=A0 But I suspect th= at is not really the problem.=C2=A0 Rather I think that most members who ha= ve been silent either do not understand that there is a vote in progress an= d/or don't have an opinion on the issue being voted on.

In the last several meetings I held several votes on motions, in which only= a few people actually voted.=C2=A0 Indeed, if there seemed to be no opposi= tion to a motion (based on discussion), I would announce the voting period = with a statement that "if there is no objection by such and such a tim= e, I will rule that the motion has been adopted".=C2=A0 (I use that fo= r most motions in the Board meetings.)

lojbab

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