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[67.86.128.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x131sm3840287qkb.44.2018.03.11.10.46.39 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Riley Martinez-Lynch Message-Id: <65D16623-1075-448E-9AAD-E02E56454B0C@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:46:37 -0400 References: <58E7EB12-0A74-4057-95BA-1CA5FB6ED8DF@gmail.com> <8ADAF633-1DEF-4056-A94D-23BD4E1277A3@gmail.com> To: llg-members@lojban.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Meeting over? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2347649456767023016==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2347649456767023016== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1B9EF67F-3678-412A-97EB-8279792E6766" --Apple-Mail=_1B9EF67F-3678-412A-97EB-8279792E6766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > 2018-03-11 16:14 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch >: > Don't get me wrong. We should do something. >=20 > Something, huh? You have doubts of what should be done? Didn't Karis = and Curtis collect a todo list? > Can we please link to it again? If it's still within this mailing list = only can we put it to the wiki? Please feel free to add that list to the wiki. That said, I'd like to = observe that while LLG has produced lists of "official" projects in the = past, it doesn't seem to have been very helpful towards getting those = projects done. As has been observed, LLG is not the "getting things = done" organ of Lojbanistan. Nor should it be. > I would like to formally move >=20 > Ok, why aren't you moving? I don't know if you're pulling my leg, but given that the mabla rarbau = is ambiguous, let me be clear: I have so moved. =20 > that we end the 2017 meeting, recognizing that selpa'i continues to = enjoy the confidence of LLG >=20 > this needs formalization. What does it mean to have confidence in = terms of bylaws? This doesn't apply to bylaws, because BPFK and its chair are not part of = our bylaws. However, according the renewed charter that we passed for = BPFK several years ago, members are responsible for recognizing the = chair of BPFK. If members do not take up this responsibility, it reverts = to the board to either recognize an "interim" chair or to let the = committee fall into a state of suspension. Although participation in the BPFK chair vote was lower than might be = desired, more people participated in that vote than any other vote = during this meeting, at least as recorded by Gregorio, and it was the = only unanimously affirmative vote. Accordingly, I think it makes sense = to me that if we have accomplished little else during this meeting, we = have at least done that. Lest that be in doubt =E2=80=93 I'm not sure if = the outcome was recognized earlier =E2=80=93 I want to make sure that it = is recognized now, as I move to close. You rightly note that = formalization is required: That's what I'm seeking to ensure. > , reaffirming the current composition of the board >=20 > Isn't it separate from the meeting of all LLG members? The board meeting is separate from the members' meeting, but it is the = responsibility of the members to elect a board at each annual meeting. = Historically, most meetings have re-affirmed the serving board. I'm = asking that we observe that precedent. > , and stating that there is a concern to distinguish official = pronouncements of LLG from unofficial discussions on LLG-sponsored = channels. >=20 > Stating how/where? In minutes? As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes. --Riley --Apple-Mail=_1B9EF67F-3678-412A-97EB-8279792E6766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

2018-03-11 16:14 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch = <shunpiker@gmail.com>:
Don't get me = wrong. We should do something.
Something, huh? You have doubts of = what should be done? Didn't Karis and Curtis collect a todo = list?
Can we please link to it again? If it's still = within this mailing list only can we put it to the wiki?

Please feel free to add that list to the wiki. = That said, I'd like to observe that while LLG has produced lists of = "official" projects in the past, it doesn't seem to have been very = helpful towards getting those projects done. As has been observed, LLG = is not the "getting things done" organ of Lojbanistan. Nor should it = be.

I would like = to formally move

Ok, why aren't you = moving?

I don't know if you're pulling my leg, but given = that the mabla rarbau is ambiguous, let me be clear: I have so = moved.

 
that we end the 2017 meeting, recognizing = that selpa'i continues to enjoy the confidence of = LLG

this needs formalization. What does it mean to have = confidence in terms of = bylaws?

This= doesn't apply to bylaws, because BPFK and its chair are not part of our = bylaws. However, according the renewed charter that we passed for BPFK = several years ago, members are responsible for recognizing the chair of = BPFK. If members do not take up this responsibility, it reverts to the = board to either recognize an "interim" chair or to let the committee = fall into a state of suspension.

Although participation in the BPFK chair vote was = lower than might be desired, more people participated in that vote than = any other vote during this meeting, at least as recorded by Gregorio, = and it was the only unanimously affirmative vote. Accordingly, I think = it makes sense to me that if we have accomplished little else during = this meeting, we have at least done that. Lest that be in doubt =E2=80=93 = I'm not sure if the outcome was recognized earlier =E2=80=93 I want to = make sure that it is recognized now, as I move to close. You rightly = note that formalization is required: That's what I'm seeking to = ensure.

 , reaffirming the current = composition of the board

Isn't it separate from the meeting of all LLG = members?

The= board meeting is separate from the members' meeting, but it is the = responsibility of the members to elect a board at each annual meeting. = Historically, most meetings have re-affirmed the serving board. I'm = asking that we observe that precedent.

, and stating = that there is a concern to distinguish official pronouncements of LLG = from unofficial discussions on LLG-sponsored = channels.

Stating how/where? In = minutes?

As a pronouncement of this body. It should be = reflected in minutes.

--Riley



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