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X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2673817765723894446==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2673817765723894446== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114915847bd16d05672ea1f1" --001a114915847bd16d05672ea1f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 18:34 Riley Martinez-Lynch wrote: > > > In other words, as I understand what she said, the newly-elected board > will NOT be last year's Board, but rather last years' board excluding And= . > Parliamentary inquiry to this effect. > > > > If Karen does not respond quickly with a ruling to the contrary, I ask > that you as Secretary accept my interpretation of what she said, in place > of what you proposed in your motion to adjourn, as a friendly amendment. > > Friendly amendment accepted! > > >> As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes. > > > > At which point I feel obligated to mildly chide you, mukti, on the basi= s > of the rest of Karen's same message of Dec 8, and in response solely to > what you say in your motion to adjourn =E2=80=A6 > > We still have no had minutes for last years' meeting, the lack of which > was what initially derailed this meeting from moving quickly. I gather > that there were good reasons for the lack of minutes when the meeting > started (Karen reported that you were traveling in early November when sh= e > first noted that we were still waiting for your minutes post - the meetin= g > had been moving along pretty well up until that point), but it is more th= an > 4 months since then, and people still didn't/don't have minutes, nor a > clear idea of what was old business and what is new business. In other > words, no clear agenda. > > It's fair, and I deserve to be chided. I have made a point more than once > of trumpeting the importance of minutes as part of LLG's contract with th= e > community: The contents of the llg-members mailing list can't be read by > everybody, and without minutes, it's hard for interested community member= s > to know what LLG is doing. Or not doing. > > That said, I'd like to appeal for clemency on the grounds that before I > became the secretary, I compiled minutes for quite a few years worth of > meetings where I wasn't present. I've been secretly and not-so-secretly > wishing that someone else might run with that example. I can try to help out. Where can I find older minutes so that I can follow their model? But since it hasn't happened yet, I should probably give up and give in. > Given that meetings were run more efficiently for many years without form= al > minutes, I have doubts whether they are necessary or sufficient for havin= g > reasonably short meetings. But we should have minutes in any case. I will > bring us up to date before the next meeting. > > --Riley > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a114915847bd16d05672ea1f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 18:34 Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, as I understand what she said, the newly-elected board= will NOT be last year's Board, but rather last years' board exclud= ing And.=C2=A0 Parliamentary inquiry to this effect.
>
> If Karen does not respond quickly with a ruling to the contrary, I ask= that you as Secretary accept my interpretation of what she said, in place = of what you proposed in your motion to adjourn, as a friendly amendment.
Friendly amendment accepted!

>> As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes= .
>
> At which point I feel obligated to mildly chide you, mukti, on the bas= is of the rest of Karen's same message of Dec 8, and in response solely= to what you say in your motion to adjourn =E2=80=A6
> We still have no had minutes for last years' meeting, the lack of = which was what initially derailed this meeting from moving quickly.=C2=A0 I= gather that there were good reasons for the lack of minutes when the meeti= ng started (Karen reported that you were traveling in early November when s= he first noted that we were still waiting for your minutes post - the meeti= ng had been moving along pretty well up until that point), but it is more t= han 4 months since then, and people still didn't/don't have minutes= , nor a clear idea of what was old business and what is new business.=C2=A0= In other words, no clear agenda.

It's fair, and I deserve to be chided. I have made a point more than on= ce of trumpeting the importance of minutes as part of LLG's contract wi= th the community: The contents of the llg-members mailing list can't be= read by everybody, and without minutes, it's hard for interested commu= nity members to know what LLG is doing. Or not doing.

That said, I'd like to appeal for clemency on the grounds that before I= became the secretary, I compiled minutes for quite a few years worth of me= etings where I wasn't present. I've been secretly and not-so-secret= ly wishing that someone else might run with that example.


I can try to help out. Where can I find older minutes so that I can f= ollow their model?


<= /div>
But since it hasn't happened yet, I should probably give up and g= ive in. Given that meetings were run more efficiently for many years withou= t formal minutes, I have doubts whether they are necessary or sufficient fo= r having reasonably short meetings. But we should have minutes in any case.= I will bring us up to date before the next meeting.

--Riley
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