Received: from localhost ([::1]:40660 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1evELz-0003IB-8m; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:42:27 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f176.google.com ([209.85.161.176]:40746) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1evELT-0003GF-9n for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:41:56 -0700 Received: by mail-yw0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y186so4543073ywf.7 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:41:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=16iqp8uyzNbXsz+6diOwexnGvmc7T2Xa0wBtqW89mKw=; b=OOcXN8Y6nrCcQPwvj9/5cqnH/tIDhhEr72/AH+yWQz1c10EmaeCdKUlNXefZ3lxEjd pzsX28Aj9tgoKzi4CK3RZQbZwtIy1/eo9NYlijDDQAmsa+8ivtaf/wWMG+dWYTHlqFYr M4mrUlhbbXD8NK4JBvo21nPpRPzecrAQX5QmJuh+01p2jVeSTd2II/Dbs9QvdFvAUR9F WZI820iT/atxHn+ojeQBTFpXMiTPQc0Bt79vQ+QJXErmSYD6edAuH0VjhYw/CExjrt8x 0dFDhJzPAX9kxFpXQ+uGqXnFU5NRCrXYE1l/14c+0QF3pU8PXGITfpJkBriW5DfCXqz7 m5HQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=16iqp8uyzNbXsz+6diOwexnGvmc7T2Xa0wBtqW89mKw=; b=b7dvM4zUBzcfRX8tW5JMKM1Dws1TvgOp/B2QIXqvQWqx+kGocwBYV0Ysx5plX5fqgA H/1ZDg5VaFAAZw58vKitdPi45HQ05Q+eESdfr/6X4XPq34dcUFWlmkYiuoSfErF8HJuz kNqsR8YBlg7HdYdv01NqmGWvrF5XlPe5tk78kz0IKnLnbvlROy3bTWSAIJFykwx0xqWe zDGGjWKF78AK6anRt5YMYWTELtyc9+7EyEZ8sqEh82HFvLOerbHQ5SCLIwjT9sIy4JUt aA1YhhXT8VnABrTu/9jXn6IjgmtkDaX1Vf+OiCQIrapXUgg3yEhcxYMdCXjRsoDZbp5N xJ5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GWS64kwwzRZxAIGplJ1CFko3VqsM6AQCWg0L6bTR0zaoxYSij1 kWFQ0mOaEdAYDRwmf1eICpX/afRmYMPav/xSMdM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtkrq8aMQsvMDTbjMRdj+JtvaqB+LuokzSv0K8td11IU5iVSKOZ8c+gNujocPFIdIKhNxCHSHJ6VoyUtGDAIeQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:6dd4:: with SMTP id i203-v6mr3768686ybc.300.1520826108557; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:41:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58E7EB12-0A74-4057-95BA-1CA5FB6ED8DF@gmail.com> <8ADAF633-1DEF-4056-A94D-23BD4E1277A3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Curtis Franks Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 03:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Meeting over? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1212250938339947376==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1212250938339947376== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f73f0205672eeb3d" --000000000000f73f0205672eeb3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 23:20 Curtis Franks wrote= : > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 18:34 Riley Martinez-Lynch > wrote: > >> >> > In other words, as I understand what she said, the newly-elected board >> will NOT be last year's Board, but rather last years' board excluding An= d. >> Parliamentary inquiry to this effect. >> > >> > If Karen does not respond quickly with a ruling to the contrary, I ask >> that you as Secretary accept my interpretation of what she said, in plac= e >> of what you proposed in your motion to adjourn, as a friendly amendment. >> >> Friendly amendment accepted! >> >> >> As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes. >> > >> > At which point I feel obligated to mildly chide you, mukti, on the >> basis of the rest of Karen's same message of Dec 8, and in response sole= ly >> to what you say in your motion to adjourn =E2=80=A6 >> > We still have no had minutes for last years' meeting, the lack of whic= h >> was what initially derailed this meeting from moving quickly. I gather >> that there were good reasons for the lack of minutes when the meeting >> started (Karen reported that you were traveling in early November when s= he >> first noted that we were still waiting for your minutes post - the meeti= ng >> had been moving along pretty well up until that point), but it is more t= han >> 4 months since then, and people still didn't/don't have minutes, nor a >> clear idea of what was old business and what is new business. In other >> words, no clear agenda. >> >> It's fair, and I deserve to be chided. I have made a point more than onc= e >> of trumpeting the importance of minutes as part of LLG's contract with t= he >> community: The contents of the llg-members mailing list can't be read by >> everybody, and without minutes, it's hard for interested community membe= rs >> to know what LLG is doing. Or not doing. >> >> That said, I'd like to appeal for clemency on the grounds that before I >> became the secretary, I compiled minutes for quite a few years worth of >> meetings where I wasn't present. I've been secretly and not-so-secretly >> wishing that someone else might run with that example. > > > > I can try to help out. Where can I find older minutes so that I can follo= w > their model? > Found them. > > But since it hasn't happened yet, I should probably give up and give in. >> Given that meetings were run more efficiently for many years without for= mal >> minutes, I have doubts whether they are necessary or sufficient for havi= ng >> reasonably short meetings. But we should have minutes in any case. I wil= l >> bring us up to date before the next meeting. >> >> --Riley >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > --000000000000f73f0205672eeb3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 23:20 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 18:34 Riley Martinez-Lynch <= shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, as I understand what she said, the newly-elected board= will NOT be last year's Board, but rather last years' board exclud= ing And.=C2=A0 Parliamentary inquiry to this effect.
>
> If Karen does not respond quickly with a ruling to the contrary, I ask= that you as Secretary accept my interpretation of what she said, in place = of what you proposed in your motion to adjourn, as a friendly amendment.
Friendly amendment accepted!

>> As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes= .
>
> At which point I feel obligated to mildly chide you, mukti, on the bas= is of the rest of Karen's same message of Dec 8, and in response solely= to what you say in your motion to adjourn =E2=80=A6
> We still have no had minutes for last years' meeting, the lack of = which was what initially derailed this meeting from moving quickly.=C2=A0 I= gather that there were good reasons for the lack of minutes when the meeti= ng started (Karen reported that you were traveling in early November when s= he first noted that we were still waiting for your minutes post - the meeti= ng had been moving along pretty well up until that point), but it is more t= han 4 months since then, and people still didn't/don't have minutes= , nor a clear idea of what was old business and what is new business.=C2=A0= In other words, no clear agenda.

It's fair, and I deserve to be chided. I have made a point more than on= ce of trumpeting the importance of minutes as part of LLG's contract wi= th the community: The contents of the llg-members mailing list can't be= read by everybody, and without minutes, it's hard for interested commu= nity members to know what LLG is doing. Or not doing.

That said, I'd like to appeal for clemency on the grounds that before I= became the secretary, I compiled minutes for quite a few years worth of me= etings where I wasn't present. I've been secretly and not-so-secret= ly wishing that someone else might run with that example.


I can try to help out. Where can I find older minutes so that I can f= ollow their model?
Found them.



But= since it hasn't happened yet, I should probably give up and give in. G= iven that meetings were run more efficiently for many years without formal = minutes, I have doubts whether they are necessary or sufficient for having = reasonably short meetings. But we should have minutes in any case. I will b= ring us up to date before the next meeting.

--Riley
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