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X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5731447603301091708==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5731447603301091708== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1142a21e6af4cb0567553cba" --001a1142a21e6af4cb0567553cba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mar 11, 2018 23:42, "Curtis Franks" wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 23:20 Curtis Franks wrote= : > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 18:34 Riley Martinez-Lynch > wrote: > >> >> > In other words, as I understand what she said, the newly-elected board >> will NOT be last year's Board, but rather last years' board excluding An= d. >> Parliamentary inquiry to this effect. >> > This is what I stated was the membership of the new board because And wished to no longer be a board member. > >> > If Karen does not respond quickly with a ruling to the contrary, I ask >> that you as Secretary accept my interpretation of what she said, in plac= e >> of what you proposed in your motion to adjourn, as a friendly amendment. >> >> Friendly amendment accepted! >> >> >> As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes. >> > >> > At which point I feel obligated to mildly chide you, mukti, on the >> basis of the rest of Karen's same message of Dec 8, and in response sole= ly >> to what you say in your motion to adjourn =E2=80=A6 >> > We still have no had minutes for last years' meeting, the lack of whic= h >> was what initially derailed this meeting from moving quickly. I gather >> that there were good reasons for the lack of minutes when the meeting >> started (Karen reported that you were traveling in early November when s= he >> first noted that we were still waiting for your minutes post - the meeti= ng >> had been moving along pretty well up until that point), but it is more t= han >> 4 months since then, and people still didn't/don't have minutes, nor a >> clear idea of what was old business and what is new business. In other >> words, no clear agenda. >> >> It's fair, and I deserve to be chided. I have made a point more than onc= e >> of trumpeting the importance of minutes as part of LLG's contract with t= he >> community: The contents of the llg-members mailing list can't be read by >> everybody, and without minutes, it's hard for interested community membe= rs >> to know what LLG is doing. Or not doing. >> >> That said, I'd like to appeal for clemency on the grounds that before I >> became the secretary, I compiled minutes for quite a few years worth of >> meetings where I wasn't present. I've been secretly and not-so-secretly >> wishing that someone else might run with that example. > > > > I can try to help out. Where can I find older minutes so that I can follo= w > their model? > Found them. > > But since it hasn't happened yet, I should probably give up and give in. >> Given that meetings were run more efficiently for many years without for= mal >> minutes, I have doubts whether they are necessary or sufficient for havi= ng >> reasonably short meetings. But we should have minutes in any case. I wil= l >> bring us up to date before the next meeting. >> > Thank you. >> --Riley >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members I will respond to the motion that we adjourn in a part of the thread that focuses on that. ,karis. --001a1142a21e6af4cb0567553cba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mar 11, 2018 23:42, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:


= On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 23:20 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 18:34 Riley M= artinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, as I understand what she said, the newly-elected board= will NOT be last year's Board, but rather last years' board exclud= ing And.=C2=A0 Parliamentary inquiry to this effect.
=
<= /div>

This is what I stated wa= s the membership of the new board because And wished to no longer be a boar= d member.=C2=A0

>
> If Karen does not respond quickly with a ruling to the contrary, I ask= that you as Secretary accept my interpretation of what she said, in place = of what you proposed in your motion to adjourn, as a friendly amendment.
Friendly amendment accepted!

>> As a pronouncement of this body. It should be reflected in minutes= .
>
> At which point I feel obligated to mildly chide you, mukti, on the bas= is of the rest of Karen's same message of Dec 8, and in response solely= to what you say in your motion to adjourn =E2=80=A6
> We still have no had minutes for last years' meeting, the lack of = which was what initially derailed this meeting from moving quickly.=C2=A0 I= gather that there were good reasons for the lack of minutes when the meeti= ng started (Karen reported that you were traveling in early November when s= he first noted that we were still waiting for your minutes post - the meeti= ng had been moving along pretty well up until that point), but it is more t= han 4 months since then, and people still didn't/don't have minutes= , nor a clear idea of what was old business and what is new business.=C2=A0= In other words, no clear agenda.

It's fair, and I deserve to be chided. I have made a point more than on= ce of trumpeting the importance of minutes as part of LLG's contract wi= th the community: The contents of the llg-members mailing list can't be= read by everybody, and without minutes, it's hard for interested commu= nity members to know what LLG is doing. Or not doing.

That said, I'd like to appeal for clemency on the grounds that before I= became the secretary, I compiled minutes for quite a few years worth of me= etings where I wasn't present. I've been secretly and not-so-secret= ly wishing that someone else might run with that example.


I can try to help out. Where can I find older minutes so that I can f= ollow their model?
Found them.

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">But since it hasn't happened yet, I shoul= d probably give up and give in. Given that meetings were run more efficient= ly for many years without formal minutes, I have doubts whether they are ne= cessary or sufficient for having reasonably short meetings. But we should h= ave minutes in any case. I will bring us up to date before the next meeting= .

Thank= you.=C2=A0

--Riley
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I will respond to the motion that we adjourn in a part of the = thread that focuses on that.=C2=A0

,karis.=C2=A0
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