Received: from localhost ([::1]:39010 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ey9JE-0003fB-St; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:55:40 -0700 Received: from mail-yb0-f171.google.com ([209.85.213.171]:44042) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ey9Ii-0003eD-CI for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:55:09 -0700 Received: by mail-yb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id v8-v6so112959ybm.11 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=VoZezvoTDnLcmpzqcQD4tBNpBlBF7QfE88TAYg4WB2U=; b=PVpeBWAPQ0t96mR1uN00V/YTzbafWz2FMFzYtYa/PAjGGYLnZ5ZNt4uaF3R4UX3mnN 6oBDAVo/iScUzop2RpX7HPOupWj3f8QnYwgaxJLrf0QTWOGN2KL5MphOgFT+BeaM/yZM R3DWUS57f2zXp6DJ2Xvq5EWbM1POI+paToqXDTuQRd5bDb7IeG+c2Iu9y5FIpl2FGMyU uX/1gPjJ5WIfWEFpRjAyLw6J+PiASITrZp/WIn8SZ+3MqMBWYS3iMjmCfX6t2trkJHVI fGGNmJE528mCDgKAbzWy1ULEaiHcgzTzrZGFT0hls80s952u9r+l1XCCKOL3JHc7eCg+ PwQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=VoZezvoTDnLcmpzqcQD4tBNpBlBF7QfE88TAYg4WB2U=; b=oyduGOOiqTWmk2KBeu880C/zvE1Ydie0QB6aA0HS9b25K++RBVWDmcAm+PVsUGeY5v YxQouQGYnv3QFFWfkMzPU8VhKm1NMJ+WQ53zKATSyLXv+4mHcKjhAbE6Px8saN1FjxIv 9f2Selqm54Xj8I6vZdOMnj+DoDyLBq3KZPUq4tWMR2L2OacQRDBlDrXCXU8VUA3HpxCx rQ51I+nm+6ft9NPg7JkQOGAauHiKqDJgrDk2dh9u19qsaxQ5kAxRc8iFMybnNdHAbUbN FkxbCa9bAeDJId8VVqS/a7v8tV9lgJ580q8X/OoocOIZW894v+nu7cHsl+Z94vCaRo8w CUlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GwvEM+XtM7DDnGOxNqrbF//fJBBfKWCKWT6/05ysKdFoE+xEGE ZP1fZHwRNbq1cH9zscaWg6zmSB72gocut0hI2AA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtkk7ug67O2BH6kbHN5EFKRIZKHxgKuU0BB9g9fWgE0IfseXAGnzIhKDGvZqfujs6XkLwM5qt/xJiCsG+G5RpQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d34f:: with SMTP id e76-v6mr8636507ybf.93.1521521701719; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:55:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <911780df-0d1e-0137-8efd-83a3e6a80e47@selpahi.de> In-Reply-To: From: Curtis Franks Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 04:54:51 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Vote to Adjourn, cast your ballot here X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5568261879773568876==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5568261879773568876== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008c93aa0567d0e0ae" --0000000000008c93aa0567d0e0ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 12:07 selpahi wrote: > On 18.03.2018 16:31, guskant wrote: > > As Selpahi's termination of his LLG-membership was accepted by the > > president, I have one question and one declaration. > > > > 1. Question > > We had a voting result of ten "aye" for Selpahi to be the chair of > > BPFK. Is it still valid, and how will it be applied? > > Membership is not required for the position of chair of BPFK: > > "At no time will membership in LLG or BPFK be considered a requirement > for the position of chair of BPFK." > > (https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Reauthorization) > > Therefore, I still have the position of chair of BPFK. > > Whether that matters is another question. The BPFK membership is > similarly inactive. My attempt to improve and define its procedures only > got the one response from guskant, while every other member remained > silent. I responded, but I am not a member of the BPFK. I interpret that silence as disinterest in the matter. If The > majority of the BPFK is disinterested in their own committee, then > something is wrong. > > > My abstention from voting to adjourn posted on 2018-03-15 was based on > > the same despair that Selpahi wrote about more expressively than I can > > do. Because I don't have prestige like Selpahi, I cannot fight alone > > against the decay of Lojban without his support. > > There are other ways to keep Lojban alive than LLG or BPFK work. It may > just be time to accept that no centralized LLG-approved body is going to > get done the things you mentioned, for various reasons. However, this > does not have to be a bad thing per se. For example, the work you have > done with zantufa is outstanding, and I don't think anyone would deny > that only because it isn't a project backed by the LLG. In fact, all the > different projects that have enriched the culture of Lojban were efforts > by individuals. It is those individuals that I look up to, not the LLG > or the BPFK. So I want to encourage people to follow their individual > visions, and maybe some of them can even motivate others to follow suit. > > ~~~mi'e la selpa'i > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --0000000000008c93aa0567d0e0ae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 12:07 selpahi <selpahi@selpahi.de> wrote:
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Reautho= rization)

Therefore, I still have the position of chair of BPFK.

Whether that matters is another question. The BPFK membership is
similarly inactive. My attempt to improve and define its procedures only got the one response from guskant, while every other member remained
silent.

I responded, but I am not a member of the BPFK.
<= br>
I interpret that silence as disinterest in the matter. If The majority of the BPFK is disinterested in their own committee, then
something is wrong.

> My abstention from voting to adjourn posted on 2018-03-15 was based on=
> the same despair that Selpahi wrote about more expressively than I can=
> do. Because I don't have prestige like Selpahi, I cannot fight alo= ne
> against the decay of Lojban without his support.

There are other ways to keep Lojban alive than LLG or BPFK work. It may
just be time to accept that no centralized LLG-approved body is going to get done the things you mentioned, for various reasons. However, this
does not have to be a bad thing per se. For example, the work you have
done with zantufa is outstanding, and I don't think anyone would deny that only because it isn't a project backed by the LLG. In fact, all th= e
different projects that have enriched the culture of Lojban were efforts by individuals. It is those individuals that I look up to, not the LLG
or the BPFK. So I want to encourage people to follow their individual
visions, and maybe some of them can even motivate others to follow suit.
~~~mi'e la selpa'i

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