Received: from localhost ([::1]:46574 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f0IiZ-0007xz-W5; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:22:43 -0700 Received: from mail-ua0-f178.google.com ([209.85.217.178]:46238) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f0Ii1-0007we-8o for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:22:12 -0700 Received: by mail-ua0-f178.google.com with SMTP id d1so11176601ual.13 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:22:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wwkSOC9b3nxGrG6ZKo3IBLV0iCVo5gqEE/TovnhKa5Q=; b=Diy8rGU1ZO0hqwEfv6eg6a2NqekiWgRbsa9NeXeiRTaC1pwdOLlxFy/jtYtcWq/Fjp xjndTIHnL8BCalBTnwpxaaFTHnTBA0INaysYcEQF/ZtmbNxEDIvsLu4yKhrnV+K9998y caghWyT/hVLnqOiob3LBbpal5V0ywd/vXS9bkKRKnUSQQTVcuRBMW08FcjVniYoJR9bm UcUThsKxNCTPeprPNLe8dSu5v9SEzZQGkxJZjLWCAzTiiI3jtGiFVRUTsByPZ/EHwMUr FAy8eEcCqC1hC9hGEHBuo3d3RwLAgSjaRS7ZMRRapO0/SIBC3g27Z8ofsNbIA96+5Er9 nTvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=wwkSOC9b3nxGrG6ZKo3IBLV0iCVo5gqEE/TovnhKa5Q=; b=UDWmYMU6PV+Xk/0L6Ice0PQR/OATQUiQJb70sBvo+YrRQGnftfm7J7yv516J4L3FV5 3sg19hotaBDtg9yYtZhQZQV4SPiNiiNVle+8s9fQhKy2zCtUnsq75+1HAfX5YlUqV+So Pk8pFgu4eYbGlyWzuvkC9mfP2oGzy0mg8iFmv9tDEazH0v9YfUY2bEbHz9gLMPgtxvon ZyAfs1xkk4u3B9jA2Qy0ybCzXMsjxWlLLR2SeXDkwbI//jV6BGVrywEqcyOrkkqeEUo6 H8Zfb6da6rsSCVdiFqZCkMzS+ghzKKXFiBmCjYSfon3ZRwZmVSL6r16bS/sSbQqB24Ph CmeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7G19IzNIRdnQ4Vdqp01CBl39EFxAoB6XxyJpzfGFbL8iX7Yt+6f mEa9VggoXzrjVk2vT+kyuRtatvl4iQglklohyDc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELthbX5vFq7/eZQPcBkJPflTcSnE7TBseV9EzJGcUNSixS1833QKNF2UE5ISLI8z9QcbH1sSUYq3qFavnGmd8B0= X-Received: by 10.159.55.50 with SMTP id z47mr24501503uad.34.1522034521696; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:22:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.78.44 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alex Burka Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 03:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2766435030214329648==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2766435030214329648== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1145c934006f4c0568484735" --001a1145c934006f4c0568484735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" You can have an invite-only subreddit, but I don't think that would be substantially better than email. The single-threaded nature of real-time media like IRC is a feature, not a bug, for meetings. To speed things up we need to have an agenda, have everyone focus on one thing at a time, that way we can move through them without leaving loose ends or getting sidetracked. Yes, this puts a bit more responsibility on the chair. And someone takes notes and writes up minutes, that solves the permanent record issue. On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Curtis Franks wrote: > Reddit allows for nested conversation. I have no familiarity with it at > all, though. Could we use it and keep things semi-private (just for the > sake of keeping out trolls/malicious users and closing threads once we are > concluded with them)? Is that sufficiently 'instant', or is it just a > different way of doing these emails? Is there a post per unit time supremum? > > ~~~ Curtis W. Franks > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 19:18 Creative Care Services > wrote: > >> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the number of >> posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly. >> >> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics each >> in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >> know who to ask for help. >> >> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't have >> familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >> >> .karis. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna >> wrote: >> >>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>> >>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might not >>> have so this option should be avoided imo. >>> >>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone >>> can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days. >>> >>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are >>> preserved. >>> >>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved unless you >>> use specific software. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Creative Care Services >>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>> >>> >>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>> is welcome in this chat. >>> >>> .karis. >>> President, Logical Language Group >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary wrote: >>> >>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the >>>> motion to adjourn. >>>> >>>> Aye (10): >>>> Pierre >>>> Lojbab >>>> Curtis >>>> Karis >>>> Adam >>>> Ilmen >>>> Riley >>>> Alex >>>> Veion >>>> Ali >>>> >>>> Abstain (1): >>>> guskant >>>> >>>> No (1): >>>> selpa'i >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a1145c934006f4c0568484735 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can have an invite-only subreddit, but I don't thi= nk that would be substantially better than email. The single-threaded natur= e of real-time media like IRC is a feature, not a bug, for meetings. To spe= ed things up we need to have an agenda, have everyone focus on one thing at= a time, that way we can move through them without leaving loose ends or ge= tting sidetracked. Yes, this puts a bit more responsibility on the chair. A= nd someone takes notes and writes up minutes, that solves the permanent rec= ord issue.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.frank= s@gmail.com> wrote:
Reddit allows for nested conversation. I have no familiarity wit= h it at all, though. Could we use it and keep things semi-private (just for= the sake of keeping out trolls/malicious users and closing threads once we= are concluded with them)? Is that sufficiently 'instant', or is it= just a different way of doing these emails? Is there a post per unit time = supremum?

~~~ Curtis W. Fran= ks

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 19:18 Creative Care Servic= es <comcaresv= cs@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern with Slack is our need for a full r= ecord despite the number of posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hi= t that limit quite quickly.=C2=A0

As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics each= in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant mana= gement as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I= know who to ask for help.=C2=A0

I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I do= n't have familiarity with them. Does anyone else?=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0
=

On Sun, Mar= 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gma= il.com> wrote:
So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting.<= /div>

Telegram requires having a phone number, which som= e members might not have so this option should be avoided imo.
On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyo= ne can create a new room there. Registering is possible via https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few = days.

On Discord Lojbanists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are preserved.

Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserve= d unless you use specific software.

= ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>
Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00=
Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn
To= : llg-members@lojban.org


As I believe that is sufficient votes,=C2=A0 I hereby declare the= 2017 meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discu= ssion is welcome in this chat.

.karis.=C2=A0
President, Logical Language Group

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, = 12:18 LLG Secretary <shunpiker@gmail.com> = wrote:
Per reque= st of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the motion to adjourn= .

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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