Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44570 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fD1J6-0002gV-SG; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:25:00 -0700 Received: from mail-oi0-f54.google.com ([209.85.218.54]:40770) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fD1IZ-0002eK-3h for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:24:29 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c203-v6so6474153oib.7 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:24:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FXQS9p77qEY2Xh8boVhlklVlr2369k4CjFYXW8vgyRA=; b=KDMHRnIxULJjI49ohq1OEDEoSwJKDiimrSJB0JEkc/TVKUrm21O3Z6QhDzXEw7oI6K EpuK/SsAx+TCgdOK9OjWclF32YI0rkxNHmhbnANY04nvKdGzCMVyv6f+7lji+pWIjDfs WkrZ5IVMXn4VvWrcOElYYbFnEuiBaI0dPQFfZ9mbFqH0LwHU1ffcOsby/nfZkvUHLfQB QDye1zxes5UDMFNruTun29h8LTN2hqX5xaH+wYGcfkGuow45HdjXF8WVmr+pWzlOWSdZ w20EXS+dKBEoOCW0wsmJbE9jQYwhVtHxLumMnPx8s9McTPdSVgslVsnnGBh2WAeCm7r6 WR7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=FXQS9p77qEY2Xh8boVhlklVlr2369k4CjFYXW8vgyRA=; b=gLR424HEI5rVXDvq0A/yTSOzPZQEXcFrHhGidn7n3Fjmy6ho4pxSLkwkvRgZhLod+r hnbul4lyEMt+rKie06xl9GeRMiKL7ugiUl84FtOek5j7jzWfsxqsHAK76XE9PKf6KvQw HloZcyEOP3Q+VLuo02f9PJFmEoriWlaFoGC/oJ7D+cfFl73zZE4Zf19lIn+HTCd8cZfO hOXJXeT1VUmbpRsiWbH5aZK6jLwtjqdG2BhhbMZo9V8KcN+c1jJJK86rN2elGO3Hx/kc 8U7Ee099QXdcj0mbUr4vYezTQp5RsdzM6iHphWXNhcl2pO3yDLbvSgw8vxBMQ/qBovmX vGJA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBSMSazCTXXJR8B4u8n/uC9+QSUqyQvQ00NA6Q8w0oBaLviNx1c GWk71yeGe6QV/dKH9ugfklvG6i7OIOPHZjD/h4jb X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrmJsd8c/cSg+Bebdt9Us1MkX8/w+JoZIxaS3h0mlhM3GyVz0oazVJiF2PZaZsVhQK0LMhHA5z4NWCG1O1qqA8= X-Received: by 2002:aca:3b55:: with SMTP id i82-v6mr6926581oia.156.1525065860284; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:24:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.41.161 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:23:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:23:39 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7076371602463529849==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7076371602463529849== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dc85aa056b0a10ad" --000000000000dc85aa056b0a10ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > According to this ( https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord- > dream-land/suggestions/15859336-threaded-text-chat ), which is not even a > month old, it seems to be impossible. I see multiple other requests for the > same feature going back several years, so it seems that either it is > impossible or a decent fraction of the prospective Discord community does > not know how to do it (of course, my search is going to bias my results). > > I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - just a few > comments in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the original > poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later on, > though, then I definitely missed it. > Neither does Gitter: https://gitter.im/gitterHQ/topics/topic/57f4e71fe581953f7e9b9833/integrating-topics-with-chat We then need to decide if we need threads that is whether we shall discuss several topics in parallel. If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports it. As I said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) software can do that, idk. > > > ~~~ Curtis > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Can anyone confirm if threads are possible in Discord? I can't find them. >> >> I can confirm threads are possible in Slack and absent in IRC and >> Telegram. >> >> 2018-04-19 8:00 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : >> >>> We didn't actually make any decision and the discussion just stopped, as >>> far as I can tell. My preference is Discord, mainly because of the record >>> formed for everything submitted in text, at least. I also don't know about >>> other forms. My familiarity with it is through Ingress and Delta T (both >>> phone-based AR games) chats and I like the structure of one server >>> containing, potentially, multiple conversation streams. The one thing I >>> miss is the ability to directly reply within a conversation. Individual >>> direct messaging is also easy. One very convenient feature is when you open >>> the application, at least on my phone, the total number of new messages >>> displays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number in the direct >>> messaging section, and for each channel displays, and this continues >>> through any more layers. >>> >>> Does anyone have more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I >>> would like to use whichever method for that as a small scale test. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Did we ever decide on any details? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Creative Care Services < >>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and live >>>>> as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and have >>>>> too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting >>>>> scheduled that way. >>>>> >>>>> Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went >>>>> fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became >>>>> seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails >>>>> supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will >>>>> be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate. >>>>> >>>>> My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with side >>>>> threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side >>>>> charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be >>>>> official. These could include clarifications, and whatever else. >>>>> >>>>> .karis. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services < >>>>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the >>>>>>> number of posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite >>>>>>> quickly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics >>>>>>> each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >>>>>>> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >>>>>>> know who to ask for help. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread for >>>>>> everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just >>>>>> selecting text from the browser. >>>>>> Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm >>>>>> currently not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org >>>>>> or any other sort of permanent "clay tablets". >>>>>> >>>>>> If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do so >>>>>> sequentially, not in parallel. >>>>>> >>>>>> *I also propose* either Google Docs or PiratePad >>>>>> for writing out >>>>>> proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing >>>>>> down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she >>>>>> didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't >>>>>>> have familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .karis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna < >>>>>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might >>>>>>>> not have so this option should be avoided imo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. >>>>>>>> Everyone can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>>>>>>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs >>>>>>>> are preserved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved unless >>>>>>>> you use specific software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Creative Care Services >>>>>>>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>>>>>>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>>>>>>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>>>>>>> is welcome in this chat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .karis. >>>>>>>> President, Logical Language Group >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the >>>>>>>>> motion to adjourn. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aye (10): >>>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>>> Lojbab >>>>>>>>> Curtis >>>>>>>>> Karis >>>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>>> Ilmen >>>>>>>>> Riley >>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>> Veion >>>>>>>>> Ali >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Abstain (1): >>>>>>>>> guskant >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No (1): >>>>>>>>> selpa'i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --000000000000dc85aa056b0a10ad Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:
According to this (=C2=A0https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/15859336-threaded-text-chat ), which is = not even a month old, it seems to be impossible. I see multiple other reque= sts for the same feature going back several years, so it seems that either = it is impossible or a decent fraction of the prospective Discord community = does not know how to do it (of course, my search is going to bias my result= s).

I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - j= ust a few comments in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the o= riginal poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later o= n, though, then I definitely missed it.


We then need to decide if we need th= reads that is whether we shall discuss several topics in parallel.
If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports it. As I= said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) software can do that, = idk.

=C2=A0

~~~ Curtis

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone confirm if threads are possible i= n Discord? I can't find them.

I can confirm threads = are possible in Slack and absent in IRC and Telegram.

2018-0= 4-19 8:00 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&= gt;:
We didn't actually make any decision and the discussion just = stopped, as far as I can tell. My preference is Discord, mainly because of = the record formed for everything submitted in text, at least. I also don= 9;t know about other forms. My familiarity with it is through Ingress and D= elta T (both phone-based AR games) chats and I like the structure of one se= rver containing, potentially, multiple conversation streams. The one thing = I miss is the ability to directly reply within a conversation. Individual d= irect messaging is also easy. One very convenient feature is when you open = the application, at least on my phone, the total number of new messages dis= plays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number in the direct mess= aging section, and for each channel displays, and this continues through an= y more layers.

Does anyone hav= e more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I would like to use = whichever method for that as a small scale test.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

=
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks <curti= s.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
Did we ever decide on any details?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at= 4:34 PM, Creative Care Services <comcar= esvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I absolutely want meetings to not happen = at only a fixed time and live as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are i= n too many time zones and have too many responsibilities to expect reasonab= le attendance at a meeting scheduled that way.

<= div dir=3D"auto">Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent m= eeting went fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mo= ther became seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails= supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they wil= l be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate.

My thought is for a main chat thr= ead for all discussion with side threads for stating and voting only on eac= h proposal. Additional side charts could be used for side discussions, poss= ibly, but they would not be official. These could include clarifications, a= nd whatever else.

.karis= .=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna &= lt;gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:= 00 Creative Care Services <co= mcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
My concern with Slack is = our need for a full record despite the number of posts. All the groups I= 9;m in that use it hit that limit quite quickly.=C2=A0
As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover= multiple topics each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading t= akes significant management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen i= t done, though, and I know who to ask for help.=C2=A0

I propose NOT to use threading in any way. Tha= t is one thread for everything.

This way it will b= e quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just selecting text from the br= owser.
Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but = I'm currently not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other sort of permanent "clay tablets&quo= t;.

If people want to discuss several topics at on= ce they can do so sequentially, not in parallel.

<= b>I also propose either Google Docs or PiratePad=C2=A0for writing out proposals such as amend= ments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing down your names in the p= ad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she didn't vote but his/her n= ame for some reason appeared in the piratepad.

=C2= =A0

I know ot= her sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't have famili= arity with them. Does anyone else?=C2=A0

<= div dir=3D"auto">.karis.=C2=A0


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:2= 8 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:
So I p= ropose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting.

<= /div>
Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might= not have so this option should be avoided imo.

On Slac= k Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone can create a= new room there. Registering is possible via https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for= a few days.

On Discord Lojbanists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat = logs are preserved.

Everyone here knows what is IR= C. Chat logs are not preserved unless you use specific software.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Fro= m: Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com= >
Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Llg-me= mbers] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn
To: llg-members@lojban.org


As I believe that is sufficient votes,=C2=A0 I hereby declare the 20= 17 meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussi= on is welcome in this chat.

.k= aris.=C2=A0
President, Logical Language Group
<= /div>

<= div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
Per request of the presi= dent, here is a tabulation of votes on the motion to adjourn.

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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